Re: Home DSL Connections Hijacked for Porn

From: elihpomaps ton (no_spam_for_me_at_dev.nul)
Date: 07/13/03

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    Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 04:12:11 GMT

    > the customer. Taking the lazy way out, by banning services, is an
    > abridgment of the service. When you, specifically paid for a static
    > IP, you are informing the carrier of your intent.

    You still don't get it. The provider sets the rules. You are the customer.
    The service is exactly what the provider sets forth.

    >
    > I have seen the results of kiddy hackers and script kiddies (who are
    > not all kids) testing networks, probing and generally leaving crap in
    > their tracks. It's inconvenient at most and tiresome...but, hey, it
    > keeps them off the streets. Keeps the staff on their toes. Again, if a
    > professionally managed installation is troubled by this kind of
    > attack, you need new staff.

    You haven't had to deal with 20000 UCE's from open home relay boxen
    clogging up your mail servers, have you? Or watched the latest web worm
    slow down an otherwise adequately sized server farm?

    >
    > The point is still the same, how do you make the jump from a nuisance,
    > the cost of doing business on a "Public" media, to advocating a model
    > that was phased out with de-regulation many years ago. Look at it

    Don't mix up the term "regulation" with ISP "Terms and Conditions".
    "Regulation" is imposed by a third party (government). TOS is a condition
    of doing business (tariff imposed by one of two parties to a business
    agreement).

    > another way; despite requiring drivers licenses, despite an enormous
    > investment in testing and enforcement...we still have bad drivers,

    Are you suggesting that every home dsl user get a license and be over 16
    years of age? Now you might have an idea I agree with here ....

    > others that don't follow the rules of the road and some that thumb
    > their noses at the conventional precautions. This is no different,
    > business has no innate right to hijack the Web any more than truck
    > drivers, taxi's and other transportation services do on the highways.
    > By the way, we peons are supporting the "Net" with our taxes, they
    > should have a chance to make use of the benefits, its not just the

    The "Net" is supported by commerce, which includes the fees we "peons"
    remit to our providers. The role of edu's has been constantly shrinking
    since 1994. Fortunately, the federal government has neither supported nor
    hindered the net <much> in the last 10 years. The providers set the rules
    within surprisingly few net specific laws.

    > ISP's. If business is really concerned about net conditions, go back
    > to the old model of install T1, T3, Frame relay instead of seeking a
    > free ride (lower cost) over the internet, then complaining when
    > there's a bump or two.
    >
    > I doubt if you will actually see the point or admit there is a point.
    > My concern was to address the reality that individuals as well as
    > companies/corps make mistakes, take short cuts. Attempting to place
    > additional restrictions on the scattered many, to make life easier for
    > the connected few is not the way to handle the problem.
    >

    A constant stream of intrusion attempts is not making life any easier for
    the "scattered many". Cut down the number of unauthorized servers and you
    will see a steady decline in intrusion attempts, as well as a concomitant
    decline in spam from open relays and open prozies.

    Those restrictions then provide more benefit to the "scattered many" than
    to the very few who want to run home servers.

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