Re: Agnitum Outpost
From: Art Kopp (artnpeg@claymania.com)
Date: 03/05/03
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From: Art Kopp <artnpeg@claymania.com> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 21:45:19 GMT
On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 20:48:18 +0000, Alastair Smeaton
<smeaton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 20:32:46 GMT, Art Kopp <artnpeg@claymania.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>>You're still missing the whole point I was trying to make by your
>>>>"guessing" and not testing without any firewall. You haven't first
>>>>found out whether or not XP is immune to the malformed packets DOS
>>>>attacks in the first place. If you want to play guessing and betting
>>>>games instead of testing I'll guess and bet that XP will pass the
>>>>Exploits test without a firewall. Now, prove me wrong and do the damn
>>>>test correctly !:)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Why ? I use Kerio. I use XP. The exploit test does not get past this
>>>to do me any harm. I am happy. I am safe.
>>
>>Because it would be interesting to know if XP is vulnerable to any of
>>the fourteen attackks used in the PC Flank Exploits test. Also so you
>>might learn something.
>
>I concede that my approach is not scientific, and I don't know whether
>it is XP or kerio that protects me. If this question bothers you that
>much, then *you* do the experiment :-) I was interested as to your
>experience where kerio did not protect you - you could have simply
>replied telling me the OS you used - then others might have been
>warned if, for example, a Win98/Kerio mixture did not offer that
>protection.
I've posted here and elsewhere that I use Win 98 which blue screens on
the Kiss Of Death exploit. Kerio did not prevent the blue screen but
Sygate, Zone Alarm and Outpost do.
>>>That was MY whole point. I guess you missed that.
>>
>>Be happy and ignorant then :)
>
>Happy to oblige :-) I don't need to know the detail of why I am
>protected when there are helpful people (esp Sponge) who can help me
>stay that way. And if I can help others by saying that a WinXP/Kerio
>2.14 combination passes the exploits test - then so much the better..
I hope you realize though that Kerio doesn't necessarily protect with
other OS and it may not be actually doing any protection on XP.
>I appreciate you are not trying to start a flame war - good use of
>emoticons :-)
No, but it's frustrating when people go around spreading BS (not
necessarily you) about "protection" by XYZ software when it may not
exist at all.
>PS - you finally got to me - I did the test, and you were right -
>WinXP passed without Kerio - so what OS do you use ?
Good. I'm happy to hear both things .... that you had the courage to
test without a firewall .... and that XP passes without a firewall. I
suspect many people are scared to do such a test. Congratulations :)
Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg
artnpeg@claymania.com
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