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From: Adie (a_usenetizen@hotmail.com)
Date: 03/01/03
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From: Adie <a_usenetizen@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 17:42:54 +0000
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bob wrote:
>Adie wrote:
>> Sure but on a network you have remote access, and machines logging
>> information delivered by and produced by other machines. For instance
>> it's more than feasible to build a packet with spoofed headers which
>> will be logged as normal, in which case how do you track who put the
>
>Sometimes that's the case.
Well fer crying out load, you've nothing left to argue about - I win.
>There are also cases where, for instance, I
>can pull the wire out of the network closet that goes to one particular
>machine and plug it in the back of a firewall box. Now with $200 worth of
>hardware I have isolated the suspect computer from the universe. The NIC
>on the suspect box is wired straight to the NIC on my box. There is no
>doubt where the packets originate.
Fine. I'm sure there are numerous methods of isolating, all of which take
the kind of proactive stance which is rare in a small business - many
large organisations too.
>> Furthermore, the costs to the business of going to court to fire
>> someone over looking at a pair of tits will no doubt be prohibitive,
>
>You notice that in the cases cited, the network was used in such a way as
>to catch the guilty party in the act.
So someone has to be siting around waiting for the user to offend. Like I
said - very few can afford to take such measures.
>> All those "expert witnesses" don't come cheap.
>
>They aren't necessary when the rent-a-cops catch the guilty party doing
>his thing. There's not much point in the guilty even taking that one to
>trial.
Bit of an extreme example wasn t it? I suspect the offence is "lewd
conduct in a public place" or some such, illegal with or without a
computer.
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