Re: How does outpost compair to ZAP?
From: Ice Cap (icecap85@nospam.hotmail.com)Date: 12/19/01
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From: "Ice Cap" <icecap85@nospam.hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:03:57 -0500
There are two diffrent kinds of outgoing protection. One the firewall or ids
scans incoming and outgoing packets or connections for attacks and blocks
them. Two A firewall can do that and a diffrent kind of outgoing protection,
thats the application level of filtering, which might I add is useless.
"Michail Pappas" <invalid@dot.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Ice Cap" <icecap85@nospam.hotmail.com> writes:
>
> | That sounds more like your opinion that a fact.
>
> Could you please point the exact passages you are refering to?
>
> If it is the hardware firewalls' ability to block outgoing accesses, I
> can just say that any decent hardware firewall will, _in fact_, filter
> outgoing traffic as well.
>
> Are your experiences different? If so, then I'd like to hear them...
>
> |
> | "Michail Pappas" <invalid@dot.invalid> wrote in message
> | news:MPG.1687eb1c391aaf15989683@news.grnet.gr...
> | > Excuse my indirect replies, but I did not have access to some
posters...
> | >
> | > In article <3C1D1287.829A55A3@istop.com>, anyone@istop.com says...
> | > | Ice Cap wrote:
> | > | >
> | > | > A very expensive firewall hard ware router does only what bid
does. It
> | > | > detects and blocks. It does not do outgoing so are you intending
that
> | cisco
> | > | > routers suck because they cant scan outgoing packets and manage
> | program
> | > | > internet access? Because when you imply that blackice sucks
because of
> | this
> | > | > you are in a way also implying that hardware routers are just as
bad.
> | > | >
> | >
> | > AFAIK this is not correct. Most hardware firewalls will block both
> | > incoming and outgoing traffic. Their pros/cons with respect to
software
> | > firewalls lie elsewhere.
> | >
> | > | > "S-o-Z" <yaggy4u@BEERhotmail.com> wrote in message
> | > | > news:3b6ed78c.2131303@news.S-o-Z.com...
> | > | > > Why use two firewalls in the first place? all you need is one
> | properly
> | > | > > configured firewall. (BID is not a firewall per say, it is only
an
> | > | > > intrusion derection service and does not detect outgoing
packets)
> | and
> | > | > > good firewall will do what BID does and more!
> | > | > >
> | >
> | > BID does offer two serious advantages, that is filtering at a level
> | > higher that the transport one for harmful traffic (for example, HTTP
> | > queries are checked for "bad" URLs) and automatic blocking
subsequently.
> | >
> | > | > > On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:34:49 -0400 (EDT), copet@webtv.net (Cody
> | Petry)
> | > | > > Cracked a cold one and typed:
> | > | > >
> | > | > > >Is outpost better than zap? Should I wait until outpost comes
out
> | of
> | > | > > >beta to try it. Right now I am using BID 2.5co and ZAP 2.6.228
> | together.
> | > | > > >No problems right now. I am also aware than I must remove these
to
> | use
> | > | > > >outpost.
> | >
> | > Since ZA+BID work ok for you, I wouldn't suggest jumping on another
> | > platform, unless you are in need of Outpost's extra features. I have
> | > Outpost installed and I am satisfied with it, but since your job _is_
> | > done without any problems you should think twice of which route should
be
> | > followed. Your choice...
> | >
> | > | I did check it and uninstall.
> | > | Outpost can not block ICMP packets 10/0 (router solicitation). i.e.:
> | > | 224.0.0.2
> | > | I remember that I did wrote to them about that months ago, but they
have
> | > | own philosophy of doing things.
> | >
> | > Don't get me wrong but "Months ago" is quite some time in Outpost's
> | > development time line. I'll check the router solicitation issue you've
> | > mentioned though, to see whether it has been implemented or, if not,
when
> | > it will be.
> | > --
> | > Michael.-
> |
> |
>
> --
> Michael.-
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