Re: Kiss and say goodbye to Microsoft!!

From: Bill McKenzie (bmckenzie@driver.attbbs.com)
Date: 02/17/02

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    From: "Bill McKenzie" <bmckenzie@driver.attbbs.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:00:04 -0600

    > Anyway, there is a market for Linux and yes believe it or not one can make
    > money on Free software. Sys admins make money administrating M$ server
    > don't they? And programmers make money developing web sites and software
    > using , yes you guessed it, M$ VB, C, InterDev etc. etc.. The difference
    is
    > that someone had to pay for the Programmign language software the
    programmer
    > used. Oh yeah that's right, if your the custom programmer you bought it.
    > That is unless you somehow got the company you did the custom programming
    > for to buy it. Hmmm.... seems to me that if I were a programmer and had to
    > buy my own software, I'd push Linux and GNU since I wouldn't have to spend
    a
    > dime on the software, and for that matter neither would the companies I
    > would program for and thus my profit margin increases and the company pays
    > less money for the program. Makes perfect sense to me. I love how all
    you
    > dummies out there can;t understand why one can not profit from software or
    > OS just because it has a price tag or $0.00 on it. Believe me people -
    > there are bunches of those who are making money on Linux, maybe just not
    as
    > much as old Billie G.
    >

    You made my point beautifully. The guys making the money are doing so on MS
    platforms. There is no way to make revenue on software in Linux, aside from
    service related revenue, or some custom software, which is essentially
    service as well. Either way it only pays while you are doing the work, and
    not after. Its not sustainable. You can do plenty of contracting, plenty
    of support, but you can't sell your IP. That is just broken, and it doesn't
    do the industry any favors. It kills innovation and it kills off the small
    players as well. But I don't expect you to understand this argument. I
    mean after all someone as smart as yourself probably can't come down to the
    level of a dummy like me :) 

    --
Bill McKenzie
Software Engineer
BSquare Corporation
**Try out our driver tools free for 30-days**
www.bsquare.com/offer/download

    >
> "Bill McKenzie" <bmckenzie@driver.attbbs.com> wrote in message
> news:a4m376$fcn$1@brokaw.wa.com...
> > This is an argument I seem to have a hard time getting people to
> understand,
> > and it is sooooo painfully simple I am just dumb founded by it.  There
is
> > nobody making money in software in Linux period.  You can't, the
business
> > model won't allow it.  So, if you are a service company that is great,
but
> > if you are a software company, particularily a software product company
> your
> > doomed in that space.  So, lets say you move to a service model, and
lets
> > say you have a small shop 1 to 10 guys.  How do you ever take a
vacation,
> or
> > get married, or get sick?  If you aren't busy supporting, you aren't
> making
> > money.  With software products, you make money when you aren't there.
Not
> > to mention, when would you have time to innovate?  Why would the
industry
> > want to take a giant leap backwards that way?
> >
> > Like it or no MS has been the innovator in this industry, and precisely
> > because they could make a buck innovating.  Linux wouldn't be a hundreth
> as
> > useful today if MS competition hadn't pushed the Linux community to add
> cool
> > features.  I shudder to think what would become of this industry if the
> > prize for innovation was removed, its not even worth talking about
> frankly,
> > and I am done.
> >
> > --
> > Bill McKenzie
> > Software Engineer
> > BSquare Corporation
> > **Try out our driver tools free for 30-days**
> > www.bsquare.com/offer/download
> >
> >
> > "Thomas F. Divine" <pcausa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:u6so45fn3una89@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Serious question: Who would pay for R&D if there is no reward?
> > >
> > > I wouldn't mind finding those folks. However, I have never found such
a
> > > generous entity.
> > >
> > > Thos
> > >
> > > "Yves" <remyjv@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
> > > news:oFrb8.9$_t5.381@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
> > > > If you are a software developer as you claim to be. The money to
gain
> > from
> > > > Linux is enormous, just in "support".
> > > > Now how about R/D where the serious stuff kicks in?!?
> > > >
> > > > I'm a sys engineer and Linux being a Unix clone is taking over due
to
> > its
> > > > networking potential, security, stability and processing power,
unlike
> > > Win.
> > > >
> > > > Let the kids have Win for their games.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Thomas F. Divine" <pcausa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:u6rqcbf5jsfm45@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Just a quick question about free software...
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a software developer.
> > > > >
> > > > > How does one make money (as a software developer) if software is
> free?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think I could make it up in volume... :-).
> > > > >
> > > > > Seriously. How would someone make money as a software developer if
> > > > software
> > > > > is to be free?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thos
> > > > >
> > > > > "Robert Kane" <rkane4@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:grkb8.52255$Hu6.13510879@typhoon.neo.rr.com...
> > > > > > Personally I think this gentleman is right about Linux.  Not
that
> I
> > am
> > > > > > knocking Micro$oft products, as I use them as well.
> > > > > > I agree with the Windows Product Activiation B$.  Another way
for
> > > > > Micro$oft
> > > > > > to make sure it gets its almighty dollar.  Yes, you can run
other
> > > > software
> > > > > > on Micro$oft servers, things such as BIND, Apache Web server
> (there
> > > are
> > > > > > several others based on Apache, like IBM's web server for
example,
> > > > MDaemon
> > > > > > and other mail servers as well as a whole *** load of other
> > products.
> > > > > For
> > > > > > Linux ther are just as many.  But there is one thing that any
one
> > with
> > > a
> > > > > > brain cannot deny.  There are just as many service and products
> for
> > > > Linux,
> > > > > > but guess what people?   They are free.  That's right they don;t
> > cost
> > > a
> > > > > > dime.  They are supported by who?  A vast, wordlwide user
> community
> > > who
> > > > > will
> > > > > > asssist you for, that's right people - for free.  Why?  Because
> they
> > > > make
> > > > > no
> > > > > > money from it.  If you have a problem that you can't fix or
figure
> > > out,
> > > > > you
> > > > > > have to pay Micro$oft for $upport.  Linux makes more sense as
far
> as
> > > TOC
> > > > > and
> > > > > > ROI.  One can purchase hardware with no OS, get Linux for free,
> > > install
> > > > > > Samba for free, configure Samba security = domain and voila!
You
> > have
> > > a
> > > > > SMB
> > > > > > server.
> > > > > > Oh yeah, configure sendmail, or exim or any other mail server
for
> > that
> > > > > > matter, install apache for you web and there you have it.  For a
> > small
> > > > > > business, lets say hardware runs $4000 for a server.  Now add
> about
> > > > $1200
> > > > > > for Microsoft SBS so you get all the fixings.  Now lets assume
> that
> > > you
> > > > > only
> > > > > > have 5 users, well SBS comes with a 5 user license so that is
it.
> > > Total
> > > > > > cost for MS server $5200.  Total cost for Linux server $4000.
Now
> > > lets
> > > > > say
> > > > > > you need to add mroe users.  Cost for adding license to MS
> server -
> > > > > guessing
> > > > > > about $50 per user.   Cost for adding licenses to Linux.  Yep
you
> > > > guessed
> > > > > > it, nothing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, I love Microsoft products - I use them every day.  As a
> > matter
> > > of
> > > > > > fact I write this using Outlook on a Windows 98 PC - it is
great.
> > But
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > knock Linux just because you have a bias.  If you haven;t used
> both,
> > > > then
> > > > > > stfu, you have no right to pass judgement.  And if you have used
> > Linux
> > > > and
> > > > > > can't figurr it out, then stfu cause you just a moron who
> shouldn't
> > be
> > > > > > administering any system.  They all have their vulnerabilities,
> they
> > > all
> > > > > > have the strengtsh and weaknesses.  Be smart and make your own
> > eucated
> > > > > > decision based upon fact and your experience with actual useage
of
> > the
> > > > > > product before you bash it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also note that the dude who originally posted this is a moron
who
> > > > > shouldn't
> > > > > > be using either OS since he obvious;y doesn;t know Richard about
> > being
> > > > > able
> > > > > > to use products other than M$'s on their servers - get real!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > M0nkeyB0y
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Michel Pizaz" <iiz2cool@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:c6Ha8.19036$JZ.2140017@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > LINTROLL "computertechnology"
> > > > > > > <"alavoor[remove-all-this-to-reply]"@yahoo.com> opened his
mouth
> > and
> > > > > > spewed
> > > > > > > the following ***:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > news:3C64421B.4BF06030@yahoo.com...
> > > > > > > > Kiss and say goodbye to Microsoft!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > After using Microsoft for a while, you may want to kiss and
> say
> > > > > > > > goodbye to Microsoft! You must also kiss and say goodbye to
> > > > > > > > vast amounts US $$$$$$$s which you spent on software
licenses
> > > > > > > > from Microsoft!! Oh Man! Whatever money you lost is GONE
> > FOREVER!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 21st century song: Enter Linux - on servers, you must use
> Linux!
> > > > > > > > Linux is excellent on servers and is rock solid. You will
have
> > > > > > > > excellent service from Linux on server side. Linux runs
> > > > > > > > email servers, database servers, apache web servers,
> application
> > > > > > > > servers,
> > > > > > > > file servers, print servers, source code control CVS servers
> and
> > > > > > > > the list goes on and on and on ...... hundreds and hundreds
of
> > > them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you use Microsoft then everything should be Microsoft
> > products,
> > > > > > > > otherwise it will not properly and causes problems.
> > > > > > > > For example, if you want to use SQL server on MS platform
then
> > > > > > > > you MUST use MS SQL server, anything else will have some or
> the
> > > > > > > > other problem. That is the way Microsoft is!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where do you have so much money to pay Microsoft ??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Linux is a serious competition to Microsoft on servers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For details on Linux visit  http://www.aldev.8m.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another typical ranting by a Linux High Priest in training.
> You'll
> > > > > notice
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > > didn't post to any Linux newsgroups. I've run Oracle and
Sybase
> on
> > > > > Windows
> > > > > > > NT servers without an problem, as well as non-Microsoft mail
> > > servers.
> > > > > > While
> > > > > > > Linux has it's good points, it'll be some time before it gains
> > > > > credibility
> > > > > > > in the IT departments I've worked with. Of course, Microsoft's
> > > product
> > > > > > > activation policy may change that. I've seen alot of
resentment
> > > about
> > > > > > that.
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