Re: Kiss and say goodbye to Microsoft!!

From: Robert Kane (rkane4@neo.rr.com)
Date: 02/17/02

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    From: "Robert Kane" <rkane4@neo.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 07:49:06 GMT

    Well I think the point has been made that there is a place in the world for
    every OS, each has its function for each unique environment. My point was
    that there are these hard nosed buttwipes who spend their time defending one
    OS to the teeth when they haven't even tried the other. I can not see how
    anyone can even begiin to debate the usefullness or greatness of one OS over
    another when they haven;t even used the other. It's like my dad talking
    crap about Howard Stern - he has never listened to the guy. All he knows
    about HS is what he has heard from Rosie or that moron Cahrles Grodin.

    Anyway, there is a market for Linux and yes believe it or not one can make
    money on Free software. Sys admins make money administrating M$ server
    don't they? And programmers make money developing web sites and software
    using , yes you guessed it, M$ VB, C, InterDev etc. etc.. The difference is
    that someone had to pay for the Programmign language software the programmer
    used. Oh yeah that's right, if your the custom programmer you bought it.
    That is unless you somehow got the company you did the custom programming
    for to buy it. Hmmm.... seems to me that if I were a programmer and had to
    buy my own software, I'd push Linux and GNU since I wouldn't have to spend a
    dime on the software, and for that matter neither would the companies I
    would program for and thus my profit margin increases and the company pays
    less money for the program. Makes perfect sense to me. I love how all you
    dummies out there can;t understand why one can not profit from software or
    OS just because it has a price tag or $0.00 on it. Believe me people -
    there are bunches of those who are making money on Linux, maybe just not as
    much as old Billie G.

    "Bill McKenzie" <bmckenzie@driver.attbbs.com> wrote in message
    news:a4m376$fcn$1@brokaw.wa.com...
    > This is an argument I seem to have a hard time getting people to
    understand,
    > and it is sooooo painfully simple I am just dumb founded by it. There is
    > nobody making money in software in Linux period. You can't, the business
    > model won't allow it. So, if you are a service company that is great, but
    > if you are a software company, particularily a software product company
    your
    > doomed in that space. So, lets say you move to a service model, and lets
    > say you have a small shop 1 to 10 guys. How do you ever take a vacation,
    or
    > get married, or get sick? If you aren't busy supporting, you aren't
    making
    > money. With software products, you make money when you aren't there. Not
    > to mention, when would you have time to innovate? Why would the industry
    > want to take a giant leap backwards that way?
    >
    > Like it or no MS has been the innovator in this industry, and precisely
    > because they could make a buck innovating. Linux wouldn't be a hundreth
    as
    > useful today if MS competition hadn't pushed the Linux community to add
    cool
    > features. I shudder to think what would become of this industry if the
    > prize for innovation was removed, its not even worth talking about
    frankly,
    > and I am done.
    >
    > --
    > Bill McKenzie
    > Software Engineer
    > BSquare Corporation
    > **Try out our driver tools free for 30-days**
    > www.bsquare.com/offer/download
    >
    >
    > "Thomas F. Divine" <pcausa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:u6so45fn3una89@corp.supernews.com...
    > > Serious question: Who would pay for R&D if there is no reward?
    > >
    > > I wouldn't mind finding those folks. However, I have never found such a
    > > generous entity.
    > >
    > > Thos
    > >
    > > "Yves" <remyjv@net2000.com.au> wrote in message
    > > news:oFrb8.9$_t5.381@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net...
    > > > If you are a software developer as you claim to be. The money to gain
    > from
    > > > Linux is enormous, just in "support".
    > > > Now how about R/D where the serious stuff kicks in?!?
    > > >
    > > > I'm a sys engineer and Linux being a Unix clone is taking over due to
    > its
    > > > networking potential, security, stability and processing power, unlike
    > > Win.
    > > >
    > > > Let the kids have Win for their games.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Thomas F. Divine" <pcausa@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > > news:u6rqcbf5jsfm45@corp.supernews.com...
    > > > > Just a quick question about free software...
    > > > >
    > > > > I'm a software developer.
    > > > >
    > > > > How does one make money (as a software developer) if software is
    free?
    > > > >
    > > > > I don't think I could make it up in volume... :-).
    > > > >
    > > > > Seriously. How would someone make money as a software developer if
    > > > software
    > > > > is to be free?
    > > > >
    > > > > Thos
    > > > >
    > > > > "Robert Kane" <rkane4@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
    > > > > news:grkb8.52255$Hu6.13510879@typhoon.neo.rr.com...
    > > > > > Personally I think this gentleman is right about Linux. Not that
    I
    > am
    > > > > > knocking Micro$oft products, as I use them as well.
    > > > > > I agree with the Windows Product Activiation B$. Another way for
    > > > > Micro$oft
    > > > > > to make sure it gets its almighty dollar. Yes, you can run other
    > > > software
    > > > > > on Micro$oft servers, things such as BIND, Apache Web server
    (there
    > > are
    > > > > > several others based on Apache, like IBM's web server for example,
    > > > MDaemon
    > > > > > and other mail servers as well as a whole *** load of other
    > products.
    > > > > For
    > > > > > Linux ther are just as many. But there is one thing that any one
    > with
    > > a
    > > > > > brain cannot deny. There are just as many service and products
    for
    > > > Linux,
    > > > > > but guess what people? They are free. That's right they don;t
    > cost
    > > a
    > > > > > dime. They are supported by who? A vast, wordlwide user
    community
    > > who
    > > > > will
    > > > > > asssist you for, that's right people - for free. Why? Because
    they
    > > > make
    > > > > no
    > > > > > money from it. If you have a problem that you can't fix or figure
    > > out,
    > > > > you
    > > > > > have to pay Micro$oft for $upport. Linux makes more sense as far
    as
    > > TOC
    > > > > and
    > > > > > ROI. One can purchase hardware with no OS, get Linux for free,
    > > install
    > > > > > Samba for free, configure Samba security = domain and voila! You
    > have
    > > a
    > > > > SMB
    > > > > > server.
    > > > > > Oh yeah, configure sendmail, or exim or any other mail server for
    > that
    > > > > > matter, install apache for you web and there you have it. For a
    > small
    > > > > > business, lets say hardware runs $4000 for a server. Now add
    about
    > > > $1200
    > > > > > for Microsoft SBS so you get all the fixings. Now lets assume
    that
    > > you
    > > > > only
    > > > > > have 5 users, well SBS comes with a 5 user license so that is it.
    > > Total
    > > > > > cost for MS server $5200. Total cost for Linux server $4000. Now
    > > lets
    > > > > say
    > > > > > you need to add mroe users. Cost for adding license to MS
    server -
    > > > > guessing
    > > > > > about $50 per user. Cost for adding licenses to Linux. Yep you
    > > > guessed
    > > > > > it, nothing.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Again, I love Microsoft products - I use them every day. As a
    > matter
    > > of
    > > > > > fact I write this using Outlook on a Windows 98 PC - it is great.
    > But
    > > > > don't
    > > > > > knock Linux just because you have a bias. If you haven;t used
    both,
    > > > then
    > > > > > stfu, you have no right to pass judgement. And if you have used
    > Linux
    > > > and
    > > > > > can't figurr it out, then stfu cause you just a moron who
    shouldn't
    > be
    > > > > > administering any system. They all have their vulnerabilities,
    they
    > > all
    > > > > > have the strengtsh and weaknesses. Be smart and make your own
    > eucated
    > > > > > decision based upon fact and your experience with actual useage of
    > the
    > > > > > product before you bash it.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Also note that the dude who originally posted this is a moron who
    > > > > shouldn't
    > > > > > be using either OS since he obvious;y doesn;t know Richard about
    > being
    > > > > able
    > > > > > to use products other than M$'s on their servers - get real!
    > > > > >
    > > > > > M0nkeyB0y
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "Michel Pizaz" <iiz2cool@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:c6Ha8.19036$JZ.2140017@news20.bellglobal.com...
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > LINTROLL "computertechnology"
    > > > > > > <"alavoor[remove-all-this-to-reply]"@yahoo.com> opened his mouth
    > and
    > > > > > spewed
    > > > > > > the following ***:
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > news:3C64421B.4BF06030@yahoo.com...
    > > > > > > > Kiss and say goodbye to Microsoft!!
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > After using Microsoft for a while, you may want to kiss and
    say
    > > > > > > > goodbye to Microsoft! You must also kiss and say goodbye to
    > > > > > > > vast amounts US $$$$$$$s which you spent on software licenses
    > > > > > > > from Microsoft!! Oh Man! Whatever money you lost is GONE
    > FOREVER!!
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > 21st century song: Enter Linux - on servers, you must use
    Linux!
    > > > > > > > Linux is excellent on servers and is rock solid. You will have
    > > > > > > > excellent service from Linux on server side. Linux runs
    > > > > > > > email servers, database servers, apache web servers,
    application
    > > > > > > > servers,
    > > > > > > > file servers, print servers, source code control CVS servers
    and
    > > > > > > > the list goes on and on and on ...... hundreds and hundreds of
    > > them.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > If you use Microsoft then everything should be Microsoft
    > products,
    > > > > > > > otherwise it will not properly and causes problems.
    > > > > > > > For example, if you want to use SQL server on MS platform then
    > > > > > > > you MUST use MS SQL server, anything else will have some or
    the
    > > > > > > > other problem. That is the way Microsoft is!
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Where do you have so much money to pay Microsoft ??
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Linux is a serious competition to Microsoft on servers.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > For details on Linux visit http://www.aldev.8m.com
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Another typical ranting by a Linux High Priest in training.
    You'll
    > > > > notice
    > > > > > he
    > > > > > > didn't post to any Linux newsgroups. I've run Oracle and Sybase
    on
    > > > > Windows
    > > > > > > NT servers without an problem, as well as non-Microsoft mail
    > > servers.
    > > > > > While
    > > > > > > Linux has it's good points, it'll be some time before it gains
    > > > > credibility
    > > > > > > in the IT departments I've worked with. Of course, Microsoft's
    > > product
    > > > > > > activation policy may change that. I've seen alot of resentment
    > > about
    > > > > > that.
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