Re: NSA wiretap, Friday night

Barton L. Phillips wrote:

imhotep wrote:
Barton L. Phillips wrote:

responder wrote:
Even in this article, what is _not_ said, what is glossed over, is that
there is no oversight. The program has been judged illegal and
unconstitutional and yet continues.

Even in this article, what is _not_ said, what is glossed over, is that
all (_*all*_) communications within the US, or that pass through US
hubs
*might* be monitored, tapped, recorded, or *modified*. That includes
all commercial, personal or political communications.
That is the really big problem, "no oversight". The government says
there can't be oversight because that would compromise security. If that
is not a catch 21 explanation I don't know what is. The Bush
administration is saying "trust me", and why shouldn't we have they ever
done anything to make us thing they are not the most trustworthy
people in all the world?

They say that the spying is only on information going in and out of the
country, but how is anyone to know if there is no oversight. That is why
this kind of activity should and previously did need a warrant. Their
approach is like the classic joke "I could tell you but then I would
have to kill you". Well they are killing us.



...and your *REALLY* think anti Net Neutrality is really about helping
business get better bandwidth???

http://www.savetheinternet.com/

Imhotep
Interesting web site, but what does it have to do with this thread? What
am I missing? There was another thread about "Net Neutrality" was this
supposed to go with that thread?


They are related as there is a covert attempt here in the US to monitor and
thus control the Internet. In some ways it is also linked to the illegal
(in my opinion anyway) wiretapping that is also going on. Also, it was
revealed that AT&T had been examining email for the US Gov about 6 months
ago. Also without a warrent. Then look at the fight Google had when the US
Gov wanted the searches from 1 Million people. And it was revealed that
Yahoo had been doing it for sometime. I ask you, why would you ask for 1
million random people?

If you look at the big picture here in the US there is a broad and far
reaching attempt to remove the anonymity of people on the Internet...as
well as monitor them...

Imhotep

it is far more board than one first thinks.




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