Re: anonymous surfing
- From: traveler 66 <noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:15:42 -0800
On 8 Dec 2005 15:06:17 -0000, Thrasher Remailer wrote:
> thunderbird wrote:
>>> The concept of "off shore" is a total sham. Treaties and agreements
>>> between countries can make obtaining evidence from another jurisdiction
>>> easier than obtaining that same information locally.
>>> My exp has found traveling across various jurisdictions "can" be very
>>> problematic. Especially for countries in br, ph, ru and ch. While I
>>>>Your "experience" sucks. Look the subject of MLATS up in recent AP/APAS
>>>>debates to find links and cites from the legislations that make
>>>>gathering evidence across borders a matter of an attorney filing the
>>>>right form. And a link TO that form. And cites showing how they must
>>>>comply if possible. And cites showing that it's FAR more possible in
>>>>many jurisdictions than it is in the US.
>> Posted by a lawyer such as yourself I asume. Any treaty has a process that
>> can take some time unless your a serious concern.
> So now you've gone from "can't happen" to "takes some time".
You know I've never said that ^ I have said that there is no ID info
on a subscriber on the servers, it's what is represented by a couple of
these services, acyually three, the other uses embeded technology, not
I.P., to get users pages, no I.P.
> Waffle much?
>>>>The US is actually one of the most protective countries when it comes to
>>>>your privacy. Some places are absolutely horrible, and SOME places make
>>>>logging your activity MANDATORY. But bashing the US is a popular thing
>>>>these days, so the snake oil peddlers jump all over it.
>> Some privacy outfits simply don't log and shut down a server if thier
> Some of them say they don't log, then use their logs to track down people
> who are dissing them.
> "We don't log anything"
To do with subscribers I'd say, I'm sure he must have a security set up to
protect his site and his servers, of interest to subscribers would be if he
logs anything about them, don't ya think?
> "Hello, I am the owner of privacy.li. Today i saw some extra visitors, so
> i checked where they came from and arrived here.
So let's talk about the black box and gag orders hmmm.....
>> forced to, they have enough of them, besides no personally identifying
>> info on the server remember.
> Right. We're suppose to believe someone who just lied to us. Who lied to
> us a lot in the past too. An anonymous liar who is too scared to run a
> business in the clear.
> No thanks.
>>> not argue in general, the statement is true, there are a number of
>>> jurisdictional boundaries that make tracking very difficult. If one were
>>> striving for anonymity one would not use the same cascade in the same
>>> order twice which further adds complexity.
>>> Additionally when one does a cascade over multiple routers across
>>> multiple boundaries, it does make the anonymous issue more complex.
>>>>That might be true, but then these scam artists are claiming that if you
>>>>use their SAME servers over and over they're "completely anonymous"
>>>>because the server is in Hong Kong and you're not. Neither are they, by
>>>>the way. Which is good for them but REAL bad for you.
>> It's kinda funny, but one of them just explained not to long ago how the
>> server is secured,
> Where? Cites?
Google it yourself, I think you may have been the person that actually got
the original answer?
> The only thing you've done is keep parroting this idiotic claim.
>> aside from not having any of your info on it. Look through alt.privacy or
>> google it, or just come back and troll, it's what you do best!
>>> Might want to be careful about cascading through Saudi Arabia, they
>>> might be allowed to extradite you and penalty is death by
>>> beheading...strange for a country with no copyright restrictions.
>> Lol, no I know has a server there, lol
> Illiterate putz.
>>>>You might wan to be careful about cascading through Hong Kong, where any
>>>>official can confiscate or monitor your communications on a whim, with
>>>>no warrant at all. And were most activity is logged because it HAS to
>> Not all do it, they will move the server, no info on it about you anyway,
>>>>You might want to be careful about cascading through any EU member
>>>>nation, where some activity MUST be logged by law. Where it's getting
>>>>even worse almost every day.
>> No privacy service has had a problem there yet where thier customers are
>>>>You MIGHT want to be careful about choosing any country to trust your
>>>>anonymity and privacy to before you have a single CLUE exactly what the
>>>>laws are in that country.
>> How does it go, dito
>> No more for me thanks, I don't get a thrill out of replying to nym hopping
> And yet, you talk to yourself quite a bit. Or at least answer for other
>> you should worry more about black boxes pal.
> Why? I don't use any of these services. I have nothing to gain or loose if
> they live or die.
Somehow I don't think so, I think you are an owner of one, and a spreader
of FUD's and trolls for two!
> You on the other hand obviously have some vested interest in privacy.li.
> Nobody without a "cause" would be here supporting them after the way
> they've been stripped naked and proven "lacking", unless they had some
> sort of agenda.
I don't own any one of them, you haven't proven anything, as someone who's
watched your posts very carefully, out of boredom more than anything else,
I can say for a certainty that you do LIE, spread FUD, re-write posts, take
things out of context, and troll. I can only wonder what's in it for you?
You don't just do it to one either, 2-3 trolls seem to jump on anyone that
isn't Gielda from cotse, I think that says allot about you and him.
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