Re: anonymous surfing
- From: "thunderbird" <netsurf1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 7 Dec 2005 20:34:44 -0800
>>>traveler/thunderturd wrote:
O.K.if that's your game: GIELDA/BORK wrote:
>> There's only two reasons you'd keep using and touting these services
>> after the beating you've taken over it. You're either so completely
>> clueless you can't grasp basic concepts, or you have some other
>> motivation for making yourself look like a desperate, straw grabbing
>> clown in front of the whole online world.
>> NOBODY is that clueless.
> I'm toughting them because I think they happen to be good value, and I
>>>If your definition of value includes being lied to, promised things that
>>>can't be delivered, sold to the highest bidder, monitored, tracked down,
>>>censored, and having your privacy and security handed over to third
>>>parties in places where it's not even necessary to file any paperwork to
>>>compromise them, by someone too ashamed of themselves to show their face
>>>in public, then you have a point.
TROLL
>>>Wait, let me check something.
>>>Nope! None of that stuff appears under "value" in my copy of Webster's.
> don't see myself as having taken a "beating" over them. Anyone not
>>>Exactly what someone who feels like they've been beaten up would say.
Didn't someone tell you to get back on the meds and stop trolling a
while ago?
> listening to trolls by flakes like you can get the idea simply. Unlike
> you, I'm not favouring only one company (cotse) and trashing all the
>>>Only one little problem with your childish accusations. Nobody recommended
>>>or endorsed anyone. Nobody but you that is. Everything said here applies
>>>evenly to ALL privacy and anonymity services. Readers are left to decide
>>>who is lying and who isn't, armed with facts and common sense.
Sure
>>>But thank you for doing exactly what I said you'd do, immediately
>>>resorting to accusations rather than addressing any real issues, and
>>>giving this anonymous poster that much more credibility. All kidding
>>>aside, I really appreciate it. :)
All the issues brought up by some trolls were addressed at least 3
times, the result were lies on the part of the trolls that had asked,
certain re-writing of posts, and re-posting re-writes by trolls (using
re-mailers), and comments to the effect of were going to flame you
more.
> others as they come up. The ones I've mentioned aren't subject to gag
> orders and black boxes on thier servers, I think that's a point you
> can't get over.
>>>They're not?
>>>LOL!
Someone made a silly comment and suggested that offshore is where your
not, it can be an advantage to privacy, especially if there is no
identifying info on subscribers on the server.
>>>Not only are they subject to it, it's EASIER. Anyone can look up laws in
>>>various jurisdictions and see for themselves. They've been posted in
>>>AP/APAS too. But here you are, telling a lie about something no matter how
>>>stupid it makes you look, when the truth sounds better, and tossing
>>>out even more baseless accusations.
The only one telling a lie is you, this question of yours has been
answered repeatedly, all sign ons are made through the privacy
provider, as one of them says, there is no information on the servers
that could jeopardize a clients privacy, no matter where they may be
located, but you pretend this was never mentioned, and actually follow
a usenet poster around trolling. I just found out about this layest
troll/fud of yours an hour ago. What a Luzer.
>>>Thanks for giving me even MORE credibility. :)
Your a Luzer with nothing better to do than harrass anyone who posts a
different opinion
than yours.
> As far as the how to's, they all have some write up telling you how they
> do what they deliver, either in thier forums, or on a seperate technical
> page on thier web site. So Flush off.
>>>Is that right? So then you should have no trouble at all providing a link
>>>or a cite. Just one would do. But for some strange reason all you've been
>>>able to do since you suggested that these cites exist, and the laws of
>>>physics cease to exist when you alone rent some drive space, is keep
>>>claiming it. You've provided absolutely nothing of substance. Ever.
That's not true, find it yourself, some have the information on a page
on thier site, others cover it in thier forums:
www.findnot.com www.privacy.li www.ipeliminator.com www.metropipe.net
www.trilightzone.org
Take your pick...
>>>Now who should we believe? A nymhopping shill/troll, or people like Chaum
>>>and Schneier?
Believe whom you like.
>>>Tough call. NOT!
It depends on what your looking for, and who's providing it.
Going to someone like cotse who has trolls flameing anyone that dosen't
overflow with cotse on thier tongue is a joke, they even flamed some
poor guy who wrote 2 sentences about starting a privacy service. Just
over a month ago some other guy from New Zealand who had started a
privacy outfit posted once and was beset upon, he left with the comment
that the newsgroup wasn't suited for him or his clients. The only one
who get's civil treatment is Gielda from cotse.
No surprise, all his trolls, 2-3 of them live in alt.privacy 24hrs a
day. I wonder what he pays?
He should worry more about a black box as far as I'm concerned.
>>>Reply
I'm tired of replying to a flake so, whatever you say is right.
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