Re: Got Burned one too many times
From: Imhotep (Imhotep_at_nospam.net)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:53:03 -0400
Hairy One Kenobi wrote:
> "Imhotep" <Imhotep@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> Hairy One Kenobi wrote:
>> > "Imhotep" <Imhotep@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> > news:KPCdnbJ-KtCTYYHeRVnfirstname.lastname@example.org...
>> >> Hairy One Kenobi wrote:
>> >> So, to answer your question. You are using the typical argument of
>> >> commercial software availability. I am saying that as linux/FreeBSD
>> >> demand grows (and it is) this argument will be moot....
>> > But will it? Would you put your hand in your own pocket to invest in a
>> > company building software with the vague hope that someone might buy it
>> > some point?
>> If you are were a software company and you had a demand (potential sales)
>> for you product on another platform would you ignore your clients? Think
> Although everyone seems to be.. that's basically my point.
This will change with time. Linux has had great growth in the last year and
if the numbers continue, Microsoft will not be able to persuade companies
to write OS specific software anymore. This was the reason why M$ tried
everything in their power to sink Java...
> I've never said that was a *good* thing, just that it's happening at the
Yes and no. I think that most software companies would like to widen their
software to more platforms. Again, this was what java was all about.
However, M$ did successfully sabotage it on Windows just for that reason.
They, MS, does not want comapies to write software that can be used on many
platforms. This is how they illegally hook you into MS solutions.
>> > OpenOffice is here (basically an offshoot of a commercial package) but
>> > we're not seeing a rush (mostly a few trials in local councils). And
>> > that's been what, three years?
>> WRONG! I work for a company that makes 17Bn/year (with only 45
>> employees). We use it on every desktop. Personally, I use it on all of my
>> machines. My mother uses it, my father uses it, etc, etc...
> I'd hardly call fifty users a rush to adopt it ;o)
How about the State of Massachusetts? Or the French and Italian Schools
systems? How about the Brazilian Government? How about the German
> And who the hell do you work for?!? That's a similar turnover to the whole
> of the Indian IT industry!
I would love to tell you who I work for, but I believe in keeping my work
separate from my personal life. I hope you understand and respect that.
> And to think, I thought that we were doing pretty well with $600k per
Those are not bad numbers.
>> >> Wine is for Windows application emulation. Wine is not a desktop
>> >> platform...If you are looking for a Linux/BSD/UNIX window manager (ie
>> >> desktop platform) check out KDE (http://www.kde.org)
>> > Nope - I was looking for a way to run software from "the default
>> > desktop platform" on a Linux box. Sorry - obviously didn't make that
>> > point
>> > enough. (Strange, given the examples I mentioned...)
>> Fair enough, honestly I have a hard time zeroing in on what your points
>> sometimes. Well, technically Wine is a package for running windows 32bit
>> binaries on a Linux/BSD/UNIX box. The package is independent from the
>> specific window manager. About 2 years ago, I used to run the M$ Office
>> products with it but, since KDEs office and OpenOffice have matured so
>> I pretty much dumped it at work and at home. Wine works pretty well but,
>> does take some configuration...
> OK. Third time's the charm.
> WINE is potentially very useful because
> a) there is very little business software available on Linux (based on the
> fact that most companies do more than simply type letters)
> b) there is a lot of Windows-based business software
> c) WINE allows you to run this software on a Linux platform
> d) that means that you now have a much wider choice of business software
> on the Linux platform.
> Clear enough?
Now you clearly defined your statements. I agree with your statements except
for #a. When you buy say a bluecoat security appliance what are you buying?
Hummm LINUX. Although, I do not like so-called appliances many (including
some cell phone PDAs are in fact Linux).
Now I will agree with you on the point that more software companies need to
make more software on Linux/BSD/UNIX. However, I am confident that this
problem is starting to shrink.
>> > Fair enough - I prefer the PC platform for what few games I play
>> > (better interfaces and more choice)
>> More choice, not sure if I believe that but anyway....
> I was referring to the interfaces (something other than a gamepad), but I
> suppose that it works equally well if you count the number of games
Again, I do not use PCs for gaming but, I have not been let down by the
number of games for my Playstation.
On a side note, I would love to show you my gaming set up. You never even
think of buying a PC game again :-)