Re: Got Burned one too many times
From: Imhotep (Imhotep_at_nospam.net)
Date: 09/06/05
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Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:32:36 -0400
Hairy One Kenobi wrote:
> "Imhotep" <Imhotep@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:KPCdnbJ-KtCTYYHeRVn-rw@adelphia.com...
>> Hairy One Kenobi wrote:
>
>> So, to answer your question. You are using the typical argument of
>> commercial software availability. I am saying that as linux/FreeBSD
>> demand grows (and it is) this argument will be moot....
>
> But will it? Would you put your hand in your own pocket to invest in a
> company building software with the vague hope that someone might buy it at
> some point?
If you are were a software company and you had a demand (potential sales)
for you product on another platform would you ignore your clients? Think
not.
> OpenOffice is here (basically an offshoot of a commercial package) but
> we're not seeing a rush (mostly a few trials in local councils). And
> that's been what, three years?
WRONG! I work for a company that makes 17Bn/year (with only 45 employees).
We use it on every desktop. Personally, I use it on all of my machines. My
mother uses it, my father uses it, etc, etc...
On that note, by the way, it is better product. Try out the 1.9 Beta2
version. I find it is easier and more pleasant to use...
> Linux on the desktop may well have its day (as predicted to have happened
> around 1997), but it certainly isn't inevitable.
Inevitability suggests certainty. Nothing is certain. However, we have been
very happy but at work and at home with the open source products. I would
not go back. The Windows platform is for suckers. :o)
>> > I am not defending this; it's simply that the default desktop platform
> is
>> > Windows-based. The closest that *nix world has is Wine. And that
> wouldn't
>> > even run the installer for the (truly DOS-based) X-Wing. Although it
>> > /will/ run my own little MiniFrame <smug glow ;o) >
>>
>> Wine is for Windows application emulation. Wine is not a desktop
>> platform...If you are looking for a Linux/BSD/UNIX window manager (ie
>> desktop platform) check out KDE (http://www.kde.org)
>
> Nope - I was looking for a way to run software from "the default desktop
> platform" on a Linux box. Sorry - obviously didn't make that point clearly
> enough. (Strange, given the examples I mentioned...)
Fair enough, honestly I have a hard time zeroing in on what your points are
sometimes. Well, technically Wine is a package for running windows 32bit
binaries on a Linux/BSD/UNIX box. The package is independent from the
specific window manager. About 2 years ago, I used to run the M$ Office
products with it but, since KDEs office and OpenOffice have matured so much
I pretty much dumped it at work and at home. Wine works pretty well but,
does take some configuration...
>
> Given that very few people seem to be writing any form of generally useful
> business software on the platform, that strikes me as the best hope for
> getting Linux on the desktop.
True, more companies need to make more software. Better yet, I believe
everything should be web based. However, I can tell that you either have
not used Linux/BSD for sometime or are not familiar with Linux/BSD at all
(besides loading it and playing with it for a month or so...
> Failing that, we'll have to wait until one of those infamous paradigm
> shifts that kill-off established platforms.
Already happened with us. Again read a couple of paragraphs above. My
company is 98% Linux (specifically debian). That is from the Server to the
Desktop. We are also very, very successful with it. The help desk guys no
longer have to live in the perpetual spyware, virus and "no you can not be
a local admin group, sir" HELL!!!!!!!!!!!
Software updates no longer makes anyone sweat; The CIO is never asking how
we are dealing with the lastest MS Worm....
Again, moving to Linux was a sweat deal for me, my team and my company....
>> Again, honestly, I find the experience of gaming on a console much better
>> (connected to my Harman Kardon system with real surround sound and 65
>> inch TV and sitting in my lazy chair). Sorry, but even the same game on
>> linux would lose out to that....again games on M$ just is not a big deal
>> for me.
>
> Fair enough - I prefer the PC platform for what few games I play (better
> interfaces and more choice)
More choice, not sure if I believe that but anyway....
> Surprised you didn't react to the MS comment - as far as I'm aware, that's
> the main way to play decent games on a Linux platform ;o)
Which MS comment are you referencing? That it is for suckers :o)
> H1K
Imhotep
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