Re: Security via hardware?
From: Michael Pelletier (mjpelletier_at_mjpelletier.com)
Date: 05/04/05
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Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 22:04:25 -0700
Michael Pelletier wrote:
> Winged wrote:
>
>> Colin B. wrote:
>>> andy smart <anonymus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Speak for yourself. *I* am legally allowed to copy my own CDs.
>>>>>Furthermore, I'm allowed to lend them to people, and they are allowed
>>>>>to copy them for their own use.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, my poor use of words. I meant the CDs that you own but which do
>>>>not contain content which you yourself produced and which is under
>>>>copyright by others.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what I meant as well. The key is that I'm not in the USA, and I'm
>>> not beholden to their laws.
>>>
>>>
>>>>If the 'average user' does not have the legal right to copy the content
>>>>then they are the actual criminal.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well in one case, you have a 'criminal' who is copying a purchased item
>>> (say a CD) to listen to if the original gets damaged. Neither actual
>>> damage or criminal intent are apparent here.
>>>
>>> In another case, the average user _does_ in fact have the legal right to
>>> copy the content, as explicitly guaranteed by their country's laws.
>>>
>>> In yet another case, you have people who are casually breaking the law
>>> to avoid buying material.
>>>
>>> In a final case, you have people who are deliberately copying material
>>> illegally, and possibly even profiting off of it.
>>>
>>> DRM will stop the first three of these, only one of which is harmful.
>>> It will not stop the last one, which is the most harmful of all. In
>>> other words, DRM fails in 3/4 of the test cases here.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sorry but I feel very strongly about
>>>>the use of lesser terms to cover illegal activity (the classic one is
>>>>"shoplifting", what the hell is that? It's stealing, why can't we just
>>>>use the word "stealing"?),
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you're overreacting. Shoplifting isn't a 'lesser term,' it's a
>>> specific category of stealing, with its own detailed pieces of law.
>>>
>>>
>>>>we talk about people copying Music CDs for
>>>>other people, well unless they have the permission from the copyright
>>>>holder then they've stolen a copy (even if it's only a single copy).
>>>
>>>
>>> Stealing has never been an appropriate word to be applied to copyright
>>> infringement, via copying. Stealing implies that I take something away
>>> from you, and you don't have it anymore. Copying means that I take
>>> something and you still have it.
>>>
>>> Look, I'm a strong believer in rational copyright protection. I buy my
>>> music, I buy my software, I buy my movies. However, DRM is simply not
>>> the right way to protect copyright--it's both flawed in its
>>> implementation, and limited in its ability to express laws. Copyright is
>>> a legal protection--it should be upheld and maintained through legal
>>> means, not technical ones.
>>>
>>> Colin
>>>
>> While I do not condone the copying/distribution of copyright content I
>> had a disturbing event where I burned an MP3 that was not copy right
>> material. Microsoft media player (ver 10) was very insistent of trying
>> to dial up a connection and report my activity. It refused to stop
>> trying to dial until I disabled the DRM in MS media player.
>>
>> I haven't found any issues with disabling the DRM for media player and
>> was very easy to kill, so I am not sure the value it adds. It will just
>> catch the incompetent. This may be an effort to make stupidity a crime.
>
> ...for now but, when to software has hardware to back it up it might not
> be possible to disable it...and that is the scary part. "Trusted
> Computing" is about turning your computer into an "appliance" and you will
> not be able to turn or disable these types of things...
>
>> That said I don't download Internet music, and was frankly pissed off
>> that the software wanted to report my activity somewhere without my
>> permission, when I had done nothing worthy to report.
>
> But don't you know the Music/Movie industry considers anyone with an mp3
> as a pirate...
>
>> The MP3 I burned
>> was free of copyright encumbrances. I am not particularly happy about
>> this malicious spyware, it is no ones business what I am burning or
>> doing on my computer, especially when to the best of my knowledge, I had
>> broken no laws not even in gray area). This activity is not digital
>> rights management, it is spyware.
>
> It sure is.
>
>> To the best of my knowledge, all the software I use, I have obtained
>> legally, much of what I use is open source. I do object when the
>> software decides to report my legal activities, this is no ones business
>> but mine.
>>
>> Winged
>
> You know what the saddest thing is. They are spending billions on this
> (lobbists, research, propaganda) and all of this money should have gone to
> things that really need it. How about spending the money on R&D for
> ethanol. Damn, it would be a good idea to get away from oil would it not.
> How about helping the poor? Even better idea. Scholarships for the poor?
>
> Instead we have a bunch of blue haired businessmen who are paranoid that
> there monetary divine right might be chipped away...Bill Gates come on!
> You *are* the richest man in the World do you really need more? Do you
> really think that everyone is a copyright pirate?
>
> Michael
I just read this. Please take a peak. The Music industry is trying to
"leverage" this professor at Carnegie Mellon University to include "anti
piracy" lectures in the classroom. His reply was sent to the newspaper and
a link to it is below...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05123/497993.stm
Michael
-- "Trusted Computing" is a SCAM http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html Protect your rights http://www.eff.org/ http://www.publicknowledge.org/
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