Re: Nopir-B worm...

From: Michael Pelletier (mjpelletier_at_mjpelletier.com)
Date: 04/26/05

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    DANG wrote:

    >
    > "Michael Pelletier" <mjpelletier@mjpelletier.com> schreef in bericht
    > news:NJWae.65010$A31.61861@fed1read03...
    >> DANG wrote:
    >>
    >> >
    >> > "Michael Pelletier" <mjpelletier@mjpelletier.com> schreef in bericht
    >> > news:RNTae.64982$A31.39726@fed1read03...
    >> >> Now, who really thinks this was NOT sponsored by the Music Industry?
    >> >>
    >> >> http://www.securityfocus.com/news/10985?ref=rss
    >> >
    >> > Which "music industry" are you referring to?
    >>
    >> Could be IFPI or RIAA...
    >>
    >> > It is allegedly thought to
    >> > originate from France and poses as a commercial dvd copier application.
    >> > Have you peformed any search of known dvd copier apps on any p2p
    > platform?
    >> > I think you'll find a meagre haul... it just isn't that popular for
    >> > sharing.
    >>
    >> DVD rippers and DVD to Divix stuff? They are very popular...
    >>
    >> > Hypothetically, if "the" or any "music industry" you care to name
    >> > or refer to, wished to sabotage the p2p community by indiscriminate
    > damage
    >> > to mp3's and/or .com applications don't you think they'd use a better
    >> > vehicle?
    >>
    >> That is the best vehicle. You hit them where they do it. You hit them
    > where
    >> it hurts.
    >>
    >> > No, I believe they will continue their actions through the courts
    >> > and close down a variety of torrents websites... as for viral p2p
    >> > sabotage, regardless of how ineffective it is... no, just conspiracy
    >> > theory. DANG
    >>
    >> Sure the Music Industry will continue their court cases. But, you can not
    >> close down some of the newer P2P sites because they are not centralized.
    >> Only the first generations were. In short they will never stop piracy. No
    >> matter how much money they sink into pushing new laws.
    >>
    >> Like I said before. It just seems to suspicious to me. You get someone to
    >> download your trojan. Since most Windows users log in with administrator
    >> privs your trojan now has full access to the system. At this point you
    >> can pretty much do anything and your telling me that they only decide to
    > delete
    >> mp3 files? That does not seem strange to you? Usually the people that
    > write
    >> these things could not care less about the laws....why would they all of
    >> a sudden get morals?
    >
    > Ok let's calm down and focus a little bit.

    Gee, thanks for your advice..

    > I hadn't thought this necessary
    > to reply to your reply, but I'll try and make this clearer. your terms of
    > reference are vague and non-specific.

    I will email the virus writer have him post...

    > You suggest "the music industry" and
    > now quote the IFPI or the RIAA, neither of which produces music at all.
    > They are just the organisational vehicles, representing international and
    > american record producers, which try to limit piracy of their copyrighted
    > material. They are legitimate organisations. They are not the malicious,
    > amoral virus/trojan/worm authors you seem to be confusing them with.

    They are a group of recording artists who are looking, desperately, to
    protect their investments.

    > Dvd rippers and dvd to divx "stuff" is fairly popular but it is widely
    > available for direct download from a variety of regular download sites
    > There is really not that much activity in this type of app in p2p. And
    > let's be specific about p2p, you're using the term as a generic. There are
    > a number of different p2p applications, methods and sites. Which are you
    > referring to when you say "cannot close down some of the newer P2P sites"?
    > I referred to torrent sites and indeed FYI three hugely popular bit
    > torrent websites have been closed down within the last 6 months.
    > Hit them where it hurts? An indiscriminate virus that targets mp3 and/or
    > .com files, whether they are the legitimate or the pirated property of
    > victim, disguised as a dvd copier? Surely a dvd ripper would be more
    > concerned with video piracy. Are you now suggesting "The Movie Industry"
    > are now also involved?

    I am saying that it is pretty strange that a virus writer would be so
    concerned with Movie piracy as to write a trojan/worm and pop a message
    about Video Piracy on the screen when it is done deleting things. Still
    sounds a little strange to me...

    > Yes, you said it before, you think it's suspicious. "You get someone to
    > download your trojan", this remark makes me wonder whether you have your
    > own personal axe to grind.

    Personal axe to grind? No. I have never had a problem with piracy. I am
    neither for it nor against it. I am however, very against virus writers.

    > Your original post refers to the Nopir-B worm
    > and now you're rambling about a trojan. I'm telling you what this worm
    > does because I read and absorbed the review your link provided, did you?

    It is both. I guess you might have read the article but, maybe do not
    understand the concepts. It is also a trojan because it, like the original
    Trojan Horse, is pretending to be something that it is not.

    > The name of the WORM is the title of your post!

    Don't have any control over the name of the virus. Contract Symantec and ask
    nicely maybe they will change the name for you. :-0

    > I'm not sure exactly who
    > or what you're so prejudiced against, is it the "p2p community" as a
    > whole, or the music pirates, the video pirates, or the "music industry"
    > and/or the organisations set up to secure copyright, or the virus authors
    > themselves.

    None of the above. I am saying it seems really strange. As, I said before,
    you get someone to download your trojan/WORM and all you do is delete mp3s
    and popup a message about the Anti Piracy? Of all the things you could do,
    you do this? It is strange to me...The limited number of hackers/crackers I
    have met were generally anti-government, anti-rules etc, etc...just does
    not fit.

    > You seem to be painting all of them with the same tar brush.
    > Many thanks for your original link referral, but please in future read it
    > yourself and as frustrating for you as it may seem, leave the general
    > venting to your blog site.

    Well, I am not venting, Perhaps "painting" a little. I did read the post, it
    is you who is getting all hung up with the terms WORM and TROJAN.
    Technically it is both. Second, this is a security newsgroup. A trojan
    (worm if you like) is most definitely related to this newsgroup. If you do
    not like what I wrote...don't read it. I could not care less.

    > Kind regards,
    > DANG

    Michael 

    -- 
"Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems." -
Linus Torvald
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