Re: VIRUS HELP????

From: Purl Gurl (purlgurl_at_purlgurl.net)
Date: 06/05/04 

Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 09:01:50 -0700

Chuck wrote:
 
> Purl Gurl wrote:
> > Chuck wrote:
> >> Purl Gurl wrote:

(snipped)

> >> You're right, nanae is a very devious and rabid bunch. But there are some very
> >> serious folks there too.

> > nanae: news.admin.net-abuse.email

> > Haven't thought of them since they spammed our family email server
> > with idiocy, threats and hatred. They are good for a laugh being
> > easily manipulated.

> You have two problems.

Yes, taxes and death. Those are problems challenging to cure.

 
> First, you are getting internet services from an ISP that is also doing business
> with a known spammer.

You are stating, paraphrased,

"Internet Service Providers are paid by spammers."

That is doubtful.

> Most ISPs have responsible policies, and will not do business
> with known spammers. Your ISP, or an ISP providing connectivity to
> your ISP, is apparently ignoring warnings from the many folks

Have you considered many servers are victims? It is illogical to
expect servers to know of, identify and remove every single
spammer, before spamming occurs.

> fucking

> The ISP providing service to the spammer needs to discontinue that service, or
> you need to discontinue service with your ISP.

I have enjoyed a number of conversations with the president, vice-president
and enjoyed conference calls with a group of techs, at our backbone provider.
Most of this was related to the SWEN spamming virus, and discussions on
improving their granularity filtering. We also discussed email spam. They
are taking very aggressive measures to prevent spam, but cannot prevent
all spam, all the time. They are also blacklisted despite their investment
of time, effort and money into preventing spam.

Many scream, display anger, abuse others and use vulgar language,
in lieu of intelligent due process.

 
> fucking

> So don't blame the blocklists, or the folks who assemble the blocklists.

> And blame the folks who use the blocklists.

Your logic is less than Vulcan.

"Don't blame the maker of the atomic bomb. Blame the user of the atomic bomb."

 
> All the folks in nanae are not your enemy. Some agree with you - there are
> discussions there frequently about the benefits of, and necessity for,
> blocklists. Join the discussions. Argue patiently, and not rabidly. Maybe you
> can make a difference there.

My dignity makes no allowance for being associated with such people.

Purl Gurl