Re: Creating a Password

From: Mimic (gn0rty@gn0rties.ville)
Date: 02/07/03

From: "Mimic" <gn0rty@gn0rties.ville>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:02:58 -0000

"The Other Guy" <nospam@this.addy> wrote in message
> On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 13:11:20 GMT, while waiting for Somebody Else to
> show up and say something, The Other Guy responded to a post from "Don
> Kelloway" <> who wrote in
> >It is my opinion that an even better reply to choosing a password less
> >to be cracked, would be to select two from each of the following four
> >categories and mix them any way you want.
> >
> >capital letters, numbers, lowercase letters, symbols
> >
> >Example(s): Qi8&W3n! or Vd#9iR%n
> >
> >Such passwords can only be cracked by means of brute force.
> Well put, Don. I'd add a couple of things.
> 1) Brute forcing these kinds of passwords can take eons to crack, thus
> not worth the effort (the cracker would just move on to other
> accounts).
> 2) However, they can be discovered through any form of social
> engineering (writing it down on the sticky note and leaving it for any
> one to see; giving it to someone who you think is trusted -- the old
> call from the "administrator" needing to update and test accounts,
> etc.).
> 3) passwords should also be a minimum of eight characters, and likely
> can't exceed 15 depending on the O/S and it's restrictions. Don's
> example illustrated the min 8 characters process, but I just wanted to
> clearly state that.
> Furthermore, users tend to shy away from these types of passwords
> because of the difficulty of remembering them (hence it is easier to
> use your kid's name, or favourite TV character).
> Finally, there should be some sort of enforcement of password change
> policy, say every six months, to make it truly effective (i.e., again
> using SE, I could get the first four characters at one point, and then
> the other four later on).
> Cheers,
> --
> ./configure --prefix=~/zyterion
> Not this guy or that guy, The Other Guy.

I understand DES has a "problem" with >8 char passwords, in that it makes a
14char passwd no stronger than an 8, and to this end MD5 should be used. But
im not really a Nix person so i could be wrong.

"Without knowledge you have fear, with fear you create your own nightmares"
"There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand
Binary, and those that dont."

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