Re: GetPC code (was: Shellcode from ASCII)

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:12:15 +0200 (EET)
To: Aaron Adams <aadams@securityfocus.com>

hey Aaron,

thanks for enlighting us about the internals of all this FPU stuff.
highly appreciated. i did actually take it from the FPU exception handler
and to be honest never looked into the intel manuals for what it really
does ;>

i can think of yet another getPC technique for some Unixes (at least on
Solaris x86 and sparc), i will leave it as a challenge to the list.

hint: involves a kernel service ;)

best luck,
- noir

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003, Aaron Adams wrote:

> Hey Noir,
>
> I've been looking into FPU stuff a bit lately and decided to look into
> what you described a little deeper. I decided I'd give you and the list
> the details of what the deal is with this.
>
> Basically, you can do a GetPC procedure without simulating any exception.
> In fact, the data stored by fnstenv isn't influenced by the exception nor
> is it actually an exception record. fstenv/fnstenv is commonly used by FPU
> exception handler code though, to analyze the state of the FPU environment
> that an exception occured within.
>
> Although you are triggering an exception, all of the exception bits in the
> control word are masked by default when the environment is initialized. As
> such, if an exception occurs the only result will be the appropriate
> exception flag being set within the status word.
>
> So, keeping this in mind we'll see what actually allows the GetPC to be
> possible. Basically, the state of the FPU environment, following the first
> floating point instruction, is always maintained. The fnstenv/fstenv
> instructions can be used to save the state of the environment to the
> location pointed to by it's operand. So the only requirement to actually
> using fstenv/fnstenv is to have previously executed an FP instruction.
>
> The structure stored by fnstenv is defined as user_fpregs_struct in
> sys/user.h and is saved as so:
>
> 0 | Control Word
> 4 | Status Word
> 8 | Tag Word
> 12 | FPU Instruction Pointer Offset
> ...
> ...
>
> As you explained, the FPU Instruction Pointer will be the address of the
> previously executed FP instruction. And as seen above it's located at
> offset 12 within the structure.
>
> Because we can specify the location that fnstenv stores the structure
> I came up with something that can kind of simplify obtaining the PC. It
> can be seen in the following code, which is the smallest way I could come
> up with to do a GetPC procedure.
>
> fldz
> fnstenv -12(%esp)
> popl %ecx
> addb 10, %cl
> nop
>
> So, when this is executed you'll have the current pc in ecx when you hit
> nop. It's pretty similar to what you did, but hopefully it clarifies some
> stuff.
>
> ttyl.
>
> Aaron Adams
>
>
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, noir wrote:
>
> > """
> > > First thoughts on the second challenge: You can't use any of the call
> > > opcodes, but you might be able to setup a quick exception handler in
> > > the known mapped space. Cause a fault, and then find the address of
> > > your fault causing instruction in the structure that's passed. (Again
> > > I'm talking NT).
> >
> > I'm not sure this could be done (same problem) but, keep this in mind
> > anyway :-
> > ) [hint]
> >
> > gera
> > """
> >
> > i have spend good 20 minutes on this, i don't have the solution yet due to
> > lack of time but i thought this might be interesting for the list.
> >
> > basicly, i'm simulating a floating point exception (division by zero) and
> > then grabbing the EIP(pc) from the exception record. PC is the location of
> > the fdivs instruction since that instruction created the exception
> > condition so we add 11 on top to make %eax point to the nop instruction.
> > (ATT syntax)
> >
> > xor %eax, %eax
> > push %eax
> > fdivs (%esp)
> > fnstenv (%esp)
> > mov 0xc(%esp), %eax
> > add $0xd, %eax
> > nop
> >
> >
> > - noir
> >
> > sup mate ? ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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