RE: Firewall-1 and ISA D.o.S.

From: Dom De Vitto (
Date: 02/19/02

From: "Dom De Vitto" <>
To: <>, <>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:27:17 -0000

 |Hi Dom,
 |I know that you can increase the connections
 |managed by the kernel of FW-1, I will increase it to
 |50.000 ( some time ago CheckPoint said to me that it
 |was the limit... ), but I think the problem is not on that
 |feature. When I send packets , I send always the
 |same packet ( same source port, same dest port,
 |same source address, same dest address , same
 |sequence number, ... ) so , do you think FW-1 tracks
 |every packet received as a new connection, or it only
 |refresh it state table as there was only one
 |connection ?
Wow, then that's a bug, as "duplicates" should be dropped.

 |Moreover, ippacket generates packets at a very high
 |rate, and I do not believe FW-1 ( and many other
 |firewalls ) is able to manage this flood of SYN
Yep, some firewalls don't even do wire speed, and many can't
cope when it's all small packets.

 |"RTFM" ---> Yes, I read it loooong time ago, ... have
 |you at least tried to apply the D.o.S. that I describe ?

No need, on a Pix I've seen it hang because of a single Nimda'd
box! When you limit the connection table size, down to a single
host, then resource exhaustion just freezes comms for that host
for a little while. I don't think you can do it for a CPK box,
which is a design feature (fully-shared vs. allocated table space)
- somewhere in between would be nice.

Sorry for the comment, it's was a long day, and your points
seemed (fairly) obvious. Of course, if duplicate packets are
causing a problem, then that's a big bug.


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