RE: How does a customer get PCI audited?


"You secure your systems by having an IT Security Company perform a real
good assessment"
No, good controls and training help secure a system. Pen testing is a detective control. No more. In fact, it is not even close to being the best (bang for buck) detective control.

Actually, Pen testing is about a 30% option that ignores many of the vulnerable points of a system. Economic limits constrain it. The difficulty

I did some scientific research into this in the past. I published in the IIA journal and a few others and a paper is on the sans reading room as well:
http://www.sans.org/reading_room/whitepapers/auditing/1801.php

The difficultly is that there are very few auditors with a deep technical level of knowledge.

Craig


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Subject: Re: How does a customer get PCI audited?

Craig,
You secure your systems by having an IT Security Company perform a real
good assessment. It should be either a Penetration Test or a
Vulnerability Assessment. Penetration Tests are more in-depth,
Vulnerability Assessments are more safe. If you want information on both
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Craig Wright wrote:
"What are the chances of them getting audited?"
PCI Top level = 100%
A break-in occurs = 99.5%

A better question is how do I pass an audit and better yet, how do I secure my systems.

PCI-DSS is just the tip of the iceberg for potential issues. In fact it is the low risk consideration. Think class action. PCI-DSS compliance is at least a small defence. That is being ACTUALLY compliant and not just doing enough to fool the QSA.

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Sent: Tuesday, 3 June 2008 8:37 AM
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Subject: How does a customer get PCI audited?

I have a client (same one from a previous post) who has some pretty
serious security issues on their network (unsecured .mdb file with
credit card into, etc). I will be fixing the major security holes in
their network, but they still have PCI compliance issues, and I'm
assuming they need to have a quarterly scan done.

They've had this setup for about a year, they knows nothing about PCI
and compliance (myself included, I am not a QSA and still learning about
the compliance procedure).

What are the chances of them getting audited? How does all that work?
Could they potentially fly under the radar for years? I thought there
was something they had to report quarterly to show they're working on
compliance, or something.

I want to be able to tell they company "Listen, here's what could happen
if you get audited, and here's the chances of you getting audited" in
hopes they would take it seriously. I don't want to scare them without
knowing the facts, first I want to know the facts, then I will scare
them. Thanks.
Scott Race
Technology Manager

JD+A NETWORK SERVICES
1264 Hawks Flight Court, Suite 200

El Dorado Hills, CA 95762
P: 916.941.3700 | F: 916.941.3777


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