RE: Group Policy Connundrum - Stick with it, its confusing!!!

Hi we did something similar once and you may have already checked this but
if I remember rightly, the settings for the exceptions/ports etc are taken
from the machine that you are sitting at and setting the policy from and
'copied' into the GP. Could this possibly be a problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jon Petre
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:42 AM
To: roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: security-basics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Group Policy Connundrum - Stick with it, its confusing!!!

Hi Roger,

OK. I have ran a couple of the test's that you recommended and would really
appreciate your input:

This is the output from gpresult on the local workstation - I have omitted
the computer policies and just included the user policies.

CN=D*****,OU=SBSUsers,OU=Users,OU=MyBusiness,DC=P*******Ltd,DC=local
Last time Group Policy was applied: 02/10/2007 at 10:36:05
Group Policy was applied from: dcserver.**********.local
Group Policy slow link threshold: 500 kbps

Applied Group Policy Objects
-----------------------------
Default Domain Policy
No Internet

The following GPOs were not applied because they were filtered out
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Small Business Server Internet Connection Firewall
Filtering: Denied (WMI Filter)
WMI Filter: PreSP2

Small Business Server Windows Firewall
Filtering: Not Applied (Empty)

Small Business Server Client Computer
Filtering: Not Applied (Empty)

Small Business Server Domain Password Policy
Filtering: Not Applied (Empty)

Small Business Server Lockout Policy
Filtering: Disabled (GPO)

Small Business Server Remote Assistance Policy
Filtering: Disabled (GPO)

Local Group Policy
Filtering: Not Applied (Empty)

The user is a part of the following security groups:
----------------------------------------------------
Domain Users
Everyone
BUILTIN\Users
NT AUTHORITY\INTERACTIVE
NT AUTHORITY\Authenticated Users
LOCAL
No Internet
SageMMS
Terminal Services Users
Branch Users
Web Workplace Users

Resultant Set Of Policies for User:
------------------------------------

Software Installations
----------------------
N/A

Public Key Policies
-------------------
N/A

Administrative Templates
------------------------
GPO: No Internet
Setting: Software\Policies\Microsoft\Internet
Explorer\Control Panel
State: Enabled

Folder Redirection
------------------
N/A

Internet Explorer Browser User Interface
----------------------------------------
GPO: No Internet
Large Animated Bitmap Name: N/A
Large Custom Logo Bitmap Name: N/A
Title BarText: P****** Ltd
UserAgent Text: N/A
Delete existing toolbar buttons: No

Internet Explorer Connection
----------------------------
HTTP Proxy Server: 0.0.0.0:80
Secure Proxy Server: 0.0.0.0:80
FTP Proxy Server: 0.0.0.0:80
Gopher Proxy Server: 0.0.0.0:80
Socks Proxy Server: 0.0.0.0:80
Auto Config Enable: No
Enable Proxy: Yes
Use same Proxy: Yes

Internet Explorer URLs
----------------------
GPO: No Internet
Home page URL: N/A
Search page URL: N/A
Online support page URL: N/A

Internet Explorer Security
--------------------------
Always Viewable Sites: N/A
Password Override Enabled: False

GPO: No Internet
Import the current Content Ratings Settings: No
Import the current Security Zones Settings: No
Import current Authenticode Security Information: No
Enable trusted publisher lockdown: No

Internet Explorer Programs
--------------------------
GPO: No Internet
Import the current Program Settings: No

From this I can see the policy that applies the false proxy but I can not
see my exceptions that are in place!! This is rather confusing for me.

After further investigation I believe I am right in saying that GP's are
applied to OU's and not security groups. If this is the case, then the AD
infrastructure that I am working on is setup incorrectly. All the users are
placed in one OU. After carrying out an RSOP on the OU, and then drilling
down, I find that no proxy settings are been enabled!! As you can probably
see, I am actually quite confused now.

Can you shed further light on this confusing matter. If you require further
info, I will be most happy to oblige.

Thanks

Jon





From: "Roger A. Grimes" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Jon Petre" <jono-31@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,<security-basics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Group Policy Connundrum - Stick with it, its confusing!!!
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:07:01 -0400

Jon,

There are lots of ways to troubleshot.

Try running an rsop.msc on the workstation and look at the relevant
results.

Or you can run gpresult.exe /v >gpresult.txt && gpresult.txt and look at
it in a text file.

Are the correct settings being pushed down? If so, then it might be a
GPO application problem. You can turn on group policy logging and see
what is not being applied, and why.

If rsop.msc and gpresult show the correct settings, are the correct
registry edits being made under HKCU\Software\Policies?

I'll help you troubleshoot.

Roger

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-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jon Petre
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:09 AM
To: security-basics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Group Policy Connundrum - Stick with it, its confusing!!!

Hello List,

I have an issue at a customers site regarding GP that goes a little like
this:

I have created a policy named no internet. I have created a security
group named the same. In this group are so many users based across the
country that I want to limit the internet usage, therefore I have
created a false proxy @ 0.0.0.0 that all their internet use has to pass
through. This gives the expected result where no pages are displayed
regardless of which site the user goes to. I have also created some
exceptions for this policy, which do not use the proxy, i.e.

www.homepageofcompany.com, www.siteiwanttoallow.com,
www.theusercangohere.co.uk.

This is done by setting the 'user configuration > Internet Explorer >
Connection > Proxy Settings > Exceptions'. The desired output is that
user's logon and can access these sites, but any other non specified
site wont work.

----I hope this makes sense so far----

Then by setting the 'Admin Template > Windows Components > Internet
Explorer > Disable Changing Proxy Settings' to enabled effectively
grays out the proxy settings in internet explorer and stops the user
from altering the settings.

OK, this is where the issues start. When I toggle the 'Admin Template >
Windows Components > Internet Explorer > Disable Changing Proxy
Settings'
between enable and disable, and update the policy on the local machine
via GPUPDATE, or even from the server by forcing the update, everything
works and the proxy is enabled and disabled as specified.

However, when I try to make changes to any part of the user config, the
policy does not seem to initialise. What I mean is any sites I add to
the exception list do not appear and the end result is the user can not
access any sites at all. I have logged on and off, and re-booted
workstation all to no effect.

Any suggestions on why the user configuration portion of the Group
Policy does not work would be much appreciated. I am sure all the
permissions are set correctly, i.e. the apply GP settings, read settings
etc. If they wasn't, then surely no part of the policy would work, would
it?

TIA,

Jono

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