Fwd: Value of certifications

Hi

Just to agree with some of the below comments, certs are by no means a
be all and end all, but they can help get you passed the HR types to get
your CV in front of the hiring manager.

They can also show a desire to learn and progress ones career over and
above on the job learning.

For businesses that are required to show due diligence (e.g. financial
institutions) having people with the relevant certs goes a long way to
satisfying auditors that they are actively employing trained, competent
people (I'm in no way saying that people with certs are more trained or
competent than those without, just that it's an easy way to satisfy
auditors etc).

As to certs expiring, I guess the relevance of this depends on what they
are based on and if the technologies studied have significantly moved
on. I would say that as long as your career has significantly
progressed since you received the cert then there is probably little
reason to renew it, but if you are still applying for similar roles
where that specific cert significantly helps get you through the door
then it may be worth keeping it current.

Cheers

K





-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Simmons, James
Sent: 16 May 2007 20:41
To: Hari Sekhon
Cc: security-basics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Value of certifications

I have to say that I agree with the idea of keeping current with a
certification. It ensures that you are... Well current. I do not like
the idea of having to re-take the exam, or at least pay a high price to
stay current. I do like ISC2's way of addressing this issue. I would
prefer to tweak it a bit, which I will be addressing later, but compared
to the other alternatives, it is the better of two evils.

I do like your quote that "qualifications are the beginning." I will
have to use that. There is a lot of truth in that statement.


Regards,

Simmons

-----Original Message-----
From: listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Hari Sekhon
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:10 AM
To: Brian Bemis
Cc: security-basics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Value of certifications

Hi Brian,

I am in the same position. I think that expiring certifications are
__extremely__ lame. If you have earned something then it's not very
smart to take it away from you.

It's essentially a waste of time and a con trick to generate more
revenue by forcing to re-sit the same exams over and over again.

Qualifications are the beginning, not the end, and you should be moving
past them, not going back to their level all the time...

It was this that stopped me from bothering to get a CCNP. I have no
intention of ever re-sitting my CCNA exam and nor will I be doing any
other Cisco or other expiring exam, not unless my employer demands it,
is willing to pay for it and give me the time to go and do it...

I still have mine on there but my creds are dated as to when I got them
so someone can see I got it and that it is expiring/expired. I don't see
what is wrong with that, you earned it at the time and that shows on
your CV.

Hari


On 25/04/07, Brian Bemis <brian_bemis@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have a question that kind of follows a long the lines of this one...

If you have a certification that lapses, can you still note it on your

resume? I got my CCNA certification 3 1/2 years ago, but do to recent
time constraints, I wasn't able to go take the recertification exam.
Can I still list that on my resume, maybe with the year it expired, or
is that not cool?
Just wondering what others thought about that...



> -----Original Message-----
> From: listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of lalit.gupta@xxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 1:18 AM
> To: iccnt@xxxxxxxx; bert.knabe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: security-basics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Value of certifications
>
> Certifications get you through Biodata scanners in HR :)
>
> Once you are through them, then only you are called for interviews.
>
> So, certs are important for career advancement.
>
> On another front, certs give confidence to your employer and client
> about your capabilities.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Lalit Gupta
> CIISA, CISSP, CCNA, MCP, CCE, CNE
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:listbounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Doug Schlachta
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:44 AM
> To: bert.knabe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: security-basics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Value of certifications
>
> Bert,
>
> I suggest that if you are going to look at the Security+ cert you
> looking into the SSCP by ISC2 instead.
> I have not seen much value given to Sec+ cert but I have seen value
> given to the SSCP.
> It also gives you a good step towards obtaining your CISSP
eventually.
>
> Regards
> Douglas Schlachta
> CISSP, SSCP, MCSE;Security, MCSE, CCNA, CFOT
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bert Knabe <bert.knabe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: security-basics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:18:11 AM
> Subject: Value of certifications
>
>
> My employer offers classes for 2 security certifications, CompTIA
> Security+ and Certified Information Systems Security Professional. I
> know that the CISSP certification is aimed more at management, and
> is worthwhile, but I'm not management (yet), so I'm looking at the
> Security+, but I don't know if it's worth the time. Does anyone know
> how much value it has? I've been able to follow the discussions I've

> seen here, but I wouldn't call myself a security expert by any
means.
>
> Thanks,
> Bert Knabe




--
Hari Sekhon

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