Re: Security procedure question

Saqib Ali wrote:
There is a misconception that bio-metric somehow increases the
security of the mobile device. IT DOES NOT!

All it is does is make the logon process easier and simpler. The
bio-metric logon process can, in most cases, be circumvented by
escaping out of the logon sequence, and logging in using the regular
username and password. However if the user set a really complex
password, a dictionary attack would be impossible, while a brute-force
attack would take a very very long time. The user can use a really
complex password like '3mb55y53curity', without actually having to
type in this password upon each logon. So indirectly biometrics
improves the security of the mobile devices when used in conjunction
with a complex strong password.

See:
http://www.full-disc-encryption.com/biometrics_and_encryption.htm#mozTocId415582


for more info on biometric readers that come with Dell and HP laptops.

As for the issue with the "residual skin oils left on the device
surface", swipe-through biometric scanners are designed to address
those issues. With swipe through scanner the attacks with shining
light and breathing on the scanner are not possible.

On 9/21/06, Henry Troup <HenryT@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mario A. Spinthiras describes a three-factor authentication system:

> - What you know
> - What you have
> - Who you are

which is excellent, but there are a couple of caveats.

To maintain the independence of the factors requires end-user best
practices, specifically not keeping the USB device conveniently at hand
in the laptop bag. This requires training and a continual awareness
campaign.

In the case where the USB fingerprint reader is stolen with the laptop,
there is some degradation of security, possibly a lot:

I haven't found an authoritative update to show that today's fingerprint
readers are any more secure than the ones that Tsutomu Matsumoto spoofed
in 2002 - details at http://cryptome.org/gummy.htm and
http://cryptome.org/fake-prints.htm

At that time, some fingerprint readers could be spoofed as easily as
breathing on them, or with a flashlight at just the correct angle. Both
of these techniques leverage the residual skin oils left on the device
surface.

So, a careless user could take it down to single-factor authentication.
To manage this, you need to use the principle of "make the right thing
an easy thing"; somehow make it in the user's interest to keep the parts
separated. (As an aside, remember that male and female users may have
significantly different preferred styles of device; in general males
have pockets, females may have no pockets and prefer a purse.)
Strangely enough, that would push in the direction of Bluetooth over
USB; even though normally we feel that wireless devices don't add
security. BMW has gone this route with some recent automobiles,
preferring a proximity card over a physical key.

Also, you need to ensure that authorized service people can work on the
laptop without compromise of the confidential information; that is, you
still need user-level encryption inside the boot-level protection.


Henry Troup
Watchfire Corporation
Suite 300, 1 Hines Rd.
Kanata, ON K2K 3C7 Canada
613-599-3888 x4048


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I would like to begin with stating that an opinion and a misconception have two different meanings. Even if a group of people believe in a certain opinion , the majority does not make it A FACT or even a MISCONCEPTION!

Biometric authentication is can be fooled yes. but it is all based on HOW you set it up. This is why i said to boot from the USB STICK and not the actual computer. This eliminates a method of brute forcing the kernel. If you were to boot from your computer , and enter in a usb stick crafter for bruteforcing , then eventually it would give you "something" to go step-by-step to proceed with authenticating. But in this case you should have looked at the facts before tagging my contribution as "misconception".

Facts:

1. You dont boot from the computer originally for authentication. You boot from the usb stick.
2. The key can be 256bit if you like , it can be stored on the usb stick , not the computer. It simply has to match the required key by the computer.
3. I didnt mention biometric authentication for making things "easier" or "simpler" - rather than an addition to security.
4. A password is required anyway.


In conclusion I would like people to research more on technologies before posting since there are methods that have been in implementation for quite a while now. Even the computer Im talking to has the above implemented and has had quite a few try to break it. that gives birth to another so called "majority" that definately believes the opposing opinion to the misconcepted reply earlier in this post.

Good luck on this,
Mario A. Spinthiras
Netway Ltd
Nicosia , Cyprus


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