RE: Security and EOL issues

Don, I know what you mean with the analogies. I am sorry I thought that
my ;) wink would have let you know that I am not being to serious. As
well as my apology for a strong use of word.

The car stuff gave me a little kick but it can be confusing to the point
of a quick and dirty answer. Technology changes so do our products.
That is why.. Who was it that made the first real washing machine
Maytag? does not support told OLD tub machine with the wringing rollers
above the washing basin.

--
Leif Ericksen
So I will end I am sorry if I hurt anybodies feelings with my strong
choice of words.

On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 12:37 -0500, Donald N Kenepp wrote:
> Hi Leif,
>
> I apologize if the car analogy and ensuing discussion was considered
> drivel; however, several of us were trying to better explain our point to
> each other. Sometimes an analogy helps people understand. For people who
> already feel they understand, taking the time to read through an analogy and
> the ensuing discussion could be a waste of time. I apologize to all if
> discussion should have moved off the list.
>
> Sincerely,
> Donald
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leif Ericksen [mailto:leife@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:10 AM
> To: don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: 'Matthew Schiros'; 'Jeffrey F. Bloss'; security-basics@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Security and EOL issues
>
> I have seen several posts comparing an OS against a Model T or classic
> mustangs. (I would love to have a '69 fastback in good condition) But
> you all forgot the Model A (my father has one and added seat belts)
>
> What a car comparison as to do with a computer OS is not much IMHO.
> Many classic car collectors do not want to alter their cars with all the
> modern safety equipment because they are show cars and in adding what
> did not exist destroys value of said show car. Enough about cars.
>
> The Answer is simple...
> Technology advances vendors want to keep up. These advances require
> change, sometimes the change requires a re-write of the OS. IN some
> cases it is to add another 10-50MB of useless GUI code, that requires
> you have a larger hard disk in your system as well as more memory ob
> board because the useless GUI has to me loaded and the rule is most
> people do not write tight code these days, nor do they know how.
>
> Some revs will be missed...
> Lets look at:
> HP/UX (9.01, 9.04, 10.01, 11.i, ...)
> SunOS ( Solaris 2.5)
> Solaris (2.5.1, 2.6, 2.8, 2.10)
> AIX (4.3.3, 5.1, 5.2)
> VAX
> PDP
> etc.
>
> Microsoft, early versions if its DOS not to be confused with the DOS
> that ran on the BIG machines... IS that still around? So WHO wants to
> go back to windows 3.1? How about Windows 98? ME? Let run those as a
> normal OS and connect it to the Internet.
> Commodore VIC 20, Commodore 64 How about the 128 or the Amiga lets get
> one of those bad babies up and running and use it as our daily computer.
> Lets get an Apple ][e going and run quake on that baby! Or I know lets
> get the original apple Macintosh up and running as a quake server!
>
> If Os vendors were required to support every last version of the system
> they made they would be out of business because the cost would be to
> great, and nobody would want to purchase their systems, Then as the Old
> farts died off that grew up on the old systems (I included) there might
> be nobody around that could use the old systems. After all who knows
> sys 32768, sys 64738, sys 3096 Who knows peek 128,33 poke 4456 and the
> such... Shoot it is been so long I even forgot how to use many of those
> commands.
>
> Bottom line is Hardware as well as SOFTWARE will be EOLed by the vendors
> that is a given, so we will have to move on and get new hardware and new
> software, much as trends with clothing change, HOWEVER, unlike clothing
> I do not think the older version are going to come back and be in style
> (If bell bottoms come back I do not want to see it, or have they and I
> just ignored it?) Using that, for those of us that run on a 1+ GHZ
> machine with 512+meg of RAM and fire wire, and USB, and graphics
> accelerators, not to mention a graphics card that 15+ meg of ram and its
> own CPU, is going to start using a TRS-80 as their daily system.
>
>
> --
> Leif Ericksen
>
> Lots of comments dare I say drivel ;) comparing cars to an OS and such
> deleted. Sorry about the strong word I used...
> On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 12:08 -0500, Donald N Kenepp wrote:
> > Hi Matthew,
> >
> > Let's extract some bait here.
> >
> > (Full original message from Matthew can be found below.)
> >
>
--
Leif Ericksen <leife@xxxxxxx>


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