RE: Re: chat logs

From: Bob Beck (goodfela26_at_finneganfamily.net)
Date: 05/17/05

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    To: "Greg Stiavetti" <stiavetti@rentoneonline.com>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:01:05 -0400

    "The kids who did made the threats did it for attention, and now you feel
    the need to get even."

    I'm not willing to risk the lives of innocent children over an assumption
    that this is only a cry for attention, and not a real threat. Are you?

    Safety of the children is the priority here, not the privacy of the
    children.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Greg Stiavetti [mailto:stiavetti@rentoneonline.com]
    Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:05 PM
    To: Melissa Fischer; security-basics@securityfocus.com
    Subject: Re: Re: chat logs

    I think you are all overreacting, this type of action might be warranted,
    had an actual bomb been found, or went off. You are talking about invading
    the privacy of a group of people, based on the actions of one or 2
    (possible) members of that group, and quite possibly nobody in the group is
    involved at all. The kids who did made the threats did it for attention, and
    now you feel the need to get even.

    Just because the technical ability to perform the search (anyone doing
    anything seriously illegal is going to cover their tracks anyways) does not
    give you the right or moral authority to do so. Sounds like the witch-hunt
    is an excuse to invade, not a cause.

    How many parents will only find out their kids are sexually active, on
    drugs, gay, or just hate them. Most things private are best left private for
    all involved.

    To give the excuse "if they are doing nothing wrong, they have nothing to
    hide" is a common phrase that stands out to characterize the mentality
    involved. This has little to do with security, agreed. It's abuse of power.
    Everyone has things best left private (which is ill equated with "to hide")
    it's usually the ones peeking who have the most secrets. Anyone remember J
    Edgar Hoover? go figure..

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Melissa Fischer" <Melissa.Fischer@NorthMemorial.com>
    To: <security-basics@securityfocus.com>
    Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:50 AM
    Subject: Fwd: Re: chat logs

    FYI

    Melissa Fischer
    Database Administrator
    Data and System Engineering
    North Memorial Health Care
    763/520-1533
    melissa.fischer@northmemorial.com

    >>> Melissa Fischer 5/13/2005 10:49:39 AM >>>
    I understand your concern, apparently you must not be a parent.
    I have raised 3 sons, 24, 20 and now an 8 year old. Teenagers talk to EACH
    OTHER, not to their parents.
    Our parents HAVE personally talked to their children, looking at files on
    their computers is not taking away their privacy, if they are doing nothing
    wrong, then there is nothing to hide and have "private".

    Melissa Fischer
    Database Administrator
    Data and System Engineering
    North Memorial Health Care
    763/520-1533
    melissa.fischer@northmemorial.com

    >>> Mihai Amarandei <mihai@xmcopartners.com> 5/13/2005 9:45:28 AM >>>
    I'm glad too se everyone helping out to find the logs and giving advice
    on how to search those teen-agers web history.
    Just me(and this has nothing to do with security), but wouldn't it be
    better that each parent asked directly its children about such incidents
    instead of searching and digining through their logs and web history?
    I for one wouldn't like it that my parents knew all my browsing and
    chatting habbits, and I think this is the case for most of today's
    persons. Teens are as ,uch entitled to their privacy "apriori" as anyone
    else in my opinion.
    I know all I've said has not much to do with security (actually it has
    to do with privacy), but neither is searching for logs.
    I'm not trying to undermine the importance of the threat and the gravity
    of the situation, I just don't think such an intrusion of privacy would
    be a good answer.

    Mihai
    Blog: http://secinternship.blogspot.com

    Melissa Fischer wrote:

    >Our community, Waconia, Minnesota has recently been the victims of
    >threats against our children and schools.
    >http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5399090.html
    >
    >The Emergency Response Task Force assigned to our case asked parents to
    >go home and check their kids computers for any chats or emails with
    >information.
    >
    >We are trying to find a document explaining where and what to look at
    >to find any information. We would like to post this on our school main
    >page www.waconia.k12.mn.us for a resource for parents to use on how to
    >find any information. Can you tell me where to find this information?
    >
    >Thank you in advance,
    >
    >
    >
    >Melissa Fischer
    >Database Administrator
    >Data and System Engineering
    >North Memorial Health Care
    >763/520-1533
    >melissa.fischer@northmemorial.com
    >
    >
    > 

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Mihai Amarandei-Stavila - Xmco Partners
Consultant Sécurité / Test d'intrusion
tel  : 33 1 47 34 68 61
web  : http://www.xmcopartners.com
Villa Gabrielle 75015 PARIS
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