RE: ITT a good ISS school to attend?

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To: "'Joseph Forbes'" <jftitan@gmail.com>, "'Curtis'" <demoshark@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:38:47 -0500

I attended and graduated ITT in Orlando, FL '96, I would not recommend it to
anyone and feel it was a total waste of money. Things could have changed
since then but I am very unhappy with the education I received. No
instructors really seemed to care, attendance did not matter as long as you
paid your tuition you would pass. I wanted to get into PC's and networking
security which they were talking up at the time and assured me this would
give me a strong background in. The only PC work we did was one term in a
PC lab with Win 3.x, it consisted of mouse tutorials and such. The final
exam was to FDisk, Format, and reinstall. By this time I had dumped to much
money in to quit and only had 2 semesters to get a degree. Now none of my
credits will transfer to anywhere, and nobody not even me recognizes my
degree as a "real degree".

Hope that helps
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Forbes [mailto:jftitan@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:30 PM
To: Curtis
Cc: security-basics@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: ITT a good ISS school to attend?

Good News Curtis!

  As one of my past experiences was when I was going to ITT Tech.
unfortunately I was in Texas, thus limiting my ability to continue
onto a 4 year degree through ITT. There are Pros and Cons with ITT,
which you'll see quite abit of Cons at ITTsucks.com. But a positive,
while I was going to ITT, was that I did encounter knowledgable
instructors. But unfortunately I didn't get any worthy instructors
until the final 3 quarters at ITT. A major change has recently taken
ITT, that required them to change where they get there books from. ITT
used to have their books written and published by NIIT, which is known
to be a inside outsourced company for ITT based in india. Most of the
tests sucked, but if the instructor was good, they acutally used
his/her own test, which in particular the custom tests are always
better than the NIIT prewritten tests.

 Alot of changes are taking in effect at ITT lately which may improve
the quality of the education, but this change is also going to effect
the tuition as well. One thing I noticed with the first quarter
students, during my last (8th) quarter, was that ITT was getting nazi
when it came to attendance. I was told it was because of the Texas
Workforce Commission which was enforcing the rules.

  personally, I would recommend ITT for anyone just getting out of
highschool, but never for anyone already in the IT field. You'll learn
more from other forms of education (unless your employeer is willing
to cover your expense) I wouldn't goto ITT. My experience was good,
but I still have reservations about the quality of education I
received.

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:51:44 -0800, Curtis <demoshark@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Hopefully this question is directed to the right list. I am
> considering going to ITT Tech for a.a. in SAP (Software Application
> Programming) and a b.s. in ISS (Information Systems Security. )
> I have heard a wide variety of pros and cons about ITT ranging from
> "you learn more than other 4-year regular colleges" to "the
> instructors don't even know what they are teaching and all you learn
> is how to pass a certification, provided your instructor didn't
> already sell it to you." One of the main reasons I am considering ITT
> is because it is the only school in Southern California that I know of
> that offers a degree in ISS.
>
> Should I instead of looking for a degree in ISS but rather focus on a
> degree in programming & networking then get security certifications?
> Also does anyone know if ITT is really that horrible and if I should
> instead of going to ITT go to a junior college?
> Are my chances of getting a job leading to a ISS job even lower than
> if I went to a four-year college? I do realize that security can be
> hard to get into and may have to settle for a tech support job and
> work my way up from there.
> Finally, if ITT isn't a good school, any suggestions on a good
> ISS/programming school that is located in Southern California?
>
> Curtis
>

-- 
Joseph Forbes  "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!"
Network Security Administrator
SwapNEtwork eXtreme, Inc. 
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