Re: Career Choice
From: Richard Kirk (saviente_at_gmail.com)
Date: 03/09/05
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Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:13:49 -0500 To: dave kleiman <dave@isecureu.com>
Britton, Forbes, Fuhriman:
I am currently a low-level admin assistant (not security related but I
have been asked for suggestions). I have known since before I started
my major that it would be years after I graduate that I would actually
get a position that titled me as Computer Forensic Specialist. I also
plan on taking some "specialist" courses outside of my current school
(TBD) and even possible get my Masters. My dream job would be to work
with FBI/CIA/NSA. I have even talked with people from each to get an
understanding of what they are looking for but the gentleman from NSA
(who has been doing security for them for years) was the only one that
was helpful the others did not know because they where recruiters or
representatives. I know that "personal/work" experience is the best
and knowing someone is the best way to go.
Thank You Forbes for the offer as an Intern; you are correct I'm not
located near you.
David:
I have been getting more into this and have set up my own "lab
environment" to hack and secure my systems. The more I look into this
I see that everything (vulnerabilities, flaws) are based off the
programming. Using already created tools is fine but I want to know
"how" that X virus abused Y vulnerability and that lies within the
code (right?) As far as making a website, I'm actually currently
working on this. I believe it will act as a great resume reference to
show my knowledge, skills, and even the experience alone, as far as
securing it (on my own server). I have a lot of thoughts on this
about setting up a honeypot (honestly, I don't know if that is a good
idea without a dedicated connection just for that...so this will
probably be put off). When it comes to "design" I lack the skills to
make unique logos and "visual" style (the organization is simple) If
you have any suggestion on how I can increase the "visual" aspect of
my future website please feel free to share.
Kleiman:
Your suggestion is great! I never gave consideration to looking into
local law enforcement or state attorney offices for additional
experience and idea of what skills are needed. I will defiantly look
into this option now.
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:11:53 -0500, dave kleiman <dave@isecureu.com> wrote:
> Richard,
>
> One thing you can definitely do if your goal is Forensics. Find your Local
> Sheriff's / Police department that has Computer Crimes Unit and volunteer
> your free time.
> Trust me they can use the help, most of them have a work load that is beyond
> belief. Almost all PD and SO's have volunteer programs. It will give you
> the opportunity to see the skill sets you will need. You will of course be
> limited to what you are allowed to be involved in, but experience is
> experience, I volunteer 100-200 hours a year to my local Sheriff's and
> States Attorneys office and it is as much a benefit for me as it is for
> them.
>
> Regards,
> ___________________________________________________
> Dave Kleiman, CIFI, CISM, CISSP, ISSAP, ISSMP, MCSE
> www.SecurityBreachResponse.com
> www.ComputerForensicInvestigations.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Forbes [mailto:jftitan@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 20:19
> To: Britton, Jeff B.
> Cc: security-basics@securityfocus.com
> Subject: Re: Career Choice
>
> Kirk,
>
> I will second Britton's thoughts on what will be needed of you once you
> graduate from school. I can also admit that it is true that the two options
> available to you are real. Either have a very nice resume that shows that
> you have spent your time wise, and well during school within the security
> field. OR know someone within the field to give you the heads up on a
> opening within the job market, or company needing administrators. I have
> been in corporate scale network solutions for over five years, and I am just
> now finishing up my Bachlers degree in Network Security. Of course I have
> been a fortunate person within my teens to already be involved with
> technology. I started young, and I have a resume to show for it.
>
> If your not already working for a company as a "lowly" tech, then I
> suggest to get your feet wet and get into it. Course, if your already in a
> high paying job, and making the choice to expand your horizon, then stick
> with your job, however start volunteering for anything technical/network
> related.
>
> If your in San Antonio (which I would bet not) then I can offer a Intern
> position... just follow the signature.
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:11:42 -0500, Britton, Jeff B.
> <JBBritton@lmus.leggmason.com> wrote:
> > I've been in security for appx 2 years now, and I can't begin to tell
> > you how much programming experience helps. An overall programming
> > language class is critical - to understand the building blocks of all
> > languages, both sequential and object oriented.
> >
> > Not only do you become capable of automating many parts of your job
> > (which in turn saves time and $$...something every manager likes to
> > see) but you are also able to get a much better handle on specific
> > vulnerabilies/expoits and how they directly affect whatever you are
> investigating.
> >
> > Be very careful when you get into MIS or CIS... I was a COSC major and
> > can tell you that CIS and MIS are much broader degree's, and for lack
> > of a better term, much easier than COSC or similar. If you want to
> > break into the security industry right out of school, you'll probably
> > need one of two things...
> > 1. A darn impressive resume
> > 2. An inside contact to get you a job
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Kirk [mailto:saviente@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:10 AM
> > To: security-basics@securityfocus.com
> > Subject: Career Choice
> >
> > I am currently a student at DeVry University studding Network
> > Communications Management. My true concentration is in security
> > forensics.
> >
> > In any case the more I looking into vulnerabilities and network flaws
> > the issues come from within the programming of the
> > application/protocol etc. and most assaults use multiple programming
> > languages to execute these attacks.
> >
> > I have two questions, the first is should I be learning how to
> > program? My current studies have only one programming language course
> > (Intro to Java). Second, will the Bachelors degree I'm getting help me
> > get into the field I'm looking for or should I change my major to
> > something else such as MIS or CIS?
> >
> > Thank You for your time
> > Best Regards
> >
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> --
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