RE: Career Choice

From: dave kleiman (dave_at_isecureu.com)
Date: 03/09/05

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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:11:53 -0500

    Richard,

    One thing you can definitely do if your goal is Forensics. Find your Local
    Sheriff's / Police department that has Computer Crimes Unit and volunteer
    your free time.
    Trust me they can use the help, most of them have a work load that is beyond
    belief. Almost all PD and SO's have volunteer programs. It will give you
    the opportunity to see the skill sets you will need. You will of course be
    limited to what you are allowed to be involved in, but experience is
    experience, I volunteer 100-200 hours a year to my local Sheriff's and
    States Attorneys office and it is as much a benefit for me as it is for
    them.

    Regards,
    ___________________________________________________
    Dave Kleiman, CIFI, CISM, CISSP, ISSAP, ISSMP, MCSE
    www.SecurityBreachResponse.com
    www.ComputerForensicInvestigations.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Joseph Forbes [mailto:jftitan@gmail.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 20:19
    To: Britton, Jeff B.
    Cc: security-basics@securityfocus.com
    Subject: Re: Career Choice

    Kirk,

      I will second Britton's thoughts on what will be needed of you once you
    graduate from school. I can also admit that it is true that the two options
    available to you are real. Either have a very nice resume that shows that
    you have spent your time wise, and well during school within the security
    field. OR know someone within the field to give you the heads up on a
    opening within the job market, or company needing administrators. I have
    been in corporate scale network solutions for over five years, and I am just
    now finishing up my Bachlers degree in Network Security. Of course I have
    been a fortunate person within my teens to already be involved with
    technology. I started young, and I have a resume to show for it.

      If your not already working for a company as a "lowly" tech, then I
    suggest to get your feet wet and get into it. Course, if your already in a
    high paying job, and making the choice to expand your horizon, then stick
    with your job, however start volunteering for anything technical/network
    related.

      If your in San Antonio (which I would bet not) then I can offer a Intern
    position... just follow the signature.

    On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:11:42 -0500, Britton, Jeff B.
    <JBBritton@lmus.leggmason.com> wrote:
    > I've been in security for appx 2 years now, and I can't begin to tell
    > you how much programming experience helps. An overall programming
    > language class is critical - to understand the building blocks of all
    > languages, both sequential and object oriented.
    >
    > Not only do you become capable of automating many parts of your job
    > (which in turn saves time and $$...something every manager likes to
    > see) but you are also able to get a much better handle on specific
    > vulnerabilies/expoits and how they directly affect whatever you are
    investigating.
    >
    > Be very careful when you get into MIS or CIS... I was a COSC major and
    > can tell you that CIS and MIS are much broader degree's, and for lack
    > of a better term, much easier than COSC or similar. If you want to
    > break into the security industry right out of school, you'll probably
    > need one of two things...
    > 1. A darn impressive resume
    > 2. An inside contact to get you a job
    >
    > Best of luck.
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Richard Kirk [mailto:saviente@gmail.com]
    > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:10 AM
    > To: security-basics@securityfocus.com
    > Subject: Career Choice
    >
    > I am currently a student at DeVry University studding Network
    > Communications Management. My true concentration is in security
    > forensics.
    >
    > In any case the more I looking into vulnerabilities and network flaws
    > the issues come from within the programming of the
    > application/protocol etc. and most assaults use multiple programming
    > languages to execute these attacks.
    >
    > I have two questions, the first is should I be learning how to
    > program? My current studies have only one programming language course
    > (Intro to Java). Second, will the Bachelors degree I'm getting help me
    > get into the field I'm looking for or should I change my major to
    > something else such as MIS or CIS?
    >
    > Thank You for your time
    > Best Regards
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Joseph Forbes  "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!"
Network Security Administrator
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