Re: Which Windows OS is Safest

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To: "Michael Carroll" <CarrollM@wclc.com>, "Mailing List, Security Basics" <security-basics@securityfocus.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:14:05 +0300

First of all, it seems that this thread is just becoming a war between
supporters of different OSes an I agree with Michael that this is leading no
where. Some of the advise has been very good but some has been a total waste
of time. I would suggest leaving it here as it has already been established
that everyone has a different opinion on the subject. Thank you everyone who
took the time to write a good comment or a good set of advise.

 Artturi Lehtiö
artturi.lehtio@vidafalt.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Carroll <CarrollM@wclc.com>
To: 'MARTIN M. Bénoni' <benoni_martin@hotmail.com>;
<sebastien.andrieu@cetelem.fr>; <artturi@vidafalt.com>;
<security-basics@securityfocus.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: RE: Which Windows OS is Safest

Ok, before this thread goes any further off topic, the flames get any
higher, and any further misunderstandings occur, please allow me to
re-direct it to it's final resting place:

# 1 - In my original reply (included below), I mentioned that security was a
"POINT OF VIEW". I still maintain this belief and since no further
clarification of what the devices will be used for, any further discussion
of merits of NT, 2K or 2K3 is moot.

# 2 - I do not give blanket endorsement to any one Windows OS. My mention
of NT was based on a specific application and needs requirement performed by
OUR organization to meet a specific function. NT was the choice for this
product; end of discussion.

# 3 - Since there has been no further follow up by the original poster, I
feel the back and forth banter is pointless. I personally do not care what
OS you or anyone else wishes to use, and as such, do not wish to be included
on each and every mail that boasts the merits for situations that are not
applicable to this discussion.

In short, I feel this topic is a dead horse well beaten and should be left
to rest.

Kindly remove me from ALL future correspondence as I have no interest in
continuing this discussion further.

Thank you.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: MARTIN M. Bénoni [mailto:benoni_martin@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:57 AM
To: sebastien.andrieu@cetelem.fr; Michael Carroll; artturi@vidafalt.com;
security-basics@securityfocus.com
Subject: RE: Which Windows OS is Safest

Well, I am running Win2K3 since 2 months, and really it seems to be more
secure than NT! W2K is quite good, nevertheless! :)

Not only components as IIS 6.0 have been rewrited, but many other tools have

been added as the possibility to create server's certificate. No Dr watson
all the time...a dream! :)

I've just learned NT's support with the above mail (thanks Seb.! : )) seems
to be dropped down...Microsoft gives up releasing NT's patchs all the time
?? :)

Hopefully for hackers, there is still people who do not understand the
meanings of "update", "new release", ...

>From: "ANDRIEU Sebastien (Neuilly Gestion)" <sebastien.andrieu@cetelem.fr>
>To: 'MARTIN M. Bénoni' <benoni_martin@hotmail.com>,
>CarrollM@wclc.com, artturi@vidafalt.com,
>security-basics@securityfocus.com
>Subject: RE: Which Windows OS is Safest
>Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:05:17 +0200
>
>Totally agree with Benoni...
>
>Even if Windows NT with his last SP is quite stable, it's not really
>secured
>!! Most of the security holes are applicative (IIS 4 is the perfect
>example...). A lot of services are turned on by default too...
>
>Windows 2000 is quite more secured, since the SP2...
>
>We use more and more Windows 2003 which provides a lot of security
>improvements. IIS 6, no useless services turned on by default, applicative
>stacks much more secured (rewritten code).
>
>I recommend a lot Windows 2003.
>
>Note that Microsoft stops is technical support on Windows NT at the end of
>this month, witch means : no more hotfixes, no more SP, no more technical
>assistance. Isn't it a good reason to stop the use of Windows NT 4.0 ?????
>
>Have a good day folks ! :)
>
>Sébastien Andrieu
>Administration Windows
>Euroatrium / Le Touzet
>( 01.49.21.32.34 (3-3234)
>* sebastien.andrieu@cetelem.fr
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MARTIN M. Bénoni [mailto:benoni_martin@hotmail.com]
>Sent: lundi 28 juin 2004 14:05
>To: CarrollM@wclc.com; artturi@vidafalt.com;
>security-basics@securityfocus.com
>Subject: RE: Which Windows OS is Safest
>
>Humm...I cannot understand hom people can still talk about NT when there
>are
>
>at least W2K boxes since a while, and Win2K3! NT has got a lot of bugs (6
>SPs!! ), and I think at least a whole which cannot be patched! Why NT is
>still in admin's minds???
>
>
> >From: Michael Carroll <CarrollM@wclc.com>
> >To: 'Artturi Lehtiö' <artturi@vidafalt.com>,"Mailing List, Security
>Basics"
>
> ><security-basics@securityfocus.com>
> >Subject: RE: Which Windows OS is Safest
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:07:23 -0500
> >
> >Safest is more of a situational point of view. Depending on the
> >applications,(uses), that the systems will be used for and what
> >functionality is required. From my experience, WindowsNT 4.0 (and
>Service
> >Pack 6a) allowed our organization to implement stable, reliable and
>secure
> >machines. Of course you will have to harden the OS by disabling
> >non-essential services within NT, but a quick search on Google or MS's
> >support site will provide you with a variety of hardening guides to
> >accomplish this task.
> >
> >HTH.
> >
> >Michael
> >
> >carrollm@wclc.com
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Artturi Lehtiö [mailto:artturil@yahoo.co.uk]
> >Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:16 AM
> >To: Mailing List, Security Basics
> >Subject: Which Windows OS is Safest
> >
> >
> > I would like to know what is regarded as the safest Windows OS as I
>need
> >to
> >set up a few new computers for system administrators to use and I would
> >like
> >to use a Windows OS as the system administrators who will be using the
> >computers have only experience with Windows. I know that the wisest thing
> >to
> >do wouold be to teach them how to use another OS like OpenBSD but it
>isn't
> >possible.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Artturi Lehtiö
> > artturi.lehtio@vidafalt.com
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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