RE: Securing a Local Network

From: Meidinger Chris (chris.meidinger_at_badenit.de)
Date: 04/19/04

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    To: webmaster <webmaster@play-by-mail.de>, roberts@tridecap.com, security-basics@securityfocus.com
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:26:39 +0200

    Hallo Andreas,

    there are definitely advantages to using a proper firewall, beyond simple
    defense in depth. The primary one, is that you will have to allow a lot of
    different ports on the local network. That means that the compromise of a
    single misconfigured host will result in the compromise of the entire
    network. What about, for example, a virus or trojan? A desktop firewall will
    not likely protect from call-home malware that opens a connection itself to
    an internet host waiting for a shell. For this and other reasons,
    conventional wisdom dictates that a central chokepoint be created, where you
    can make a strong divide between the internal and external network.

    If you use a dedicated firewall, there is absolutely no reason not to use
    desktop firewalls. Simple defense in depth is an advantage, but if you can
    correlate logs, desktop firewalls can also turn into a sort of IDS to alert
    you if an internal host is scanning or exploiting machines.

    If you want to talk at more length or in german, feel free to mail,

    Cheers,

    Chris

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: webmaster [mailto:webmaster@play-by-mail.de]
    > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:21 AM
    > To: roberts@tridecap.com; security-basics@securityfocus.com
    > Subject: Re: Securing a Local Network
    >
    > Hi John,
    >
    > even if you have a virus protection at the gateway, you still
    > need it on the clients. People use usb-sticks, notebooks and
    > things like that. Another problem is the fact, that gateway
    > protection cant protect you against password protected email
    > attachments. So the best way is a combination of both. If you
    > want to save money, give up fileserver-protection.
    >
    > I have got 2 other questions, regarding your issue, which
    > might be interesting for you, too.
    >
    > If I do not host my own services, is there a advantage to
    > protect my network through a packetfilter or even a statefull
    > inspection firewall appliance? Or is it enough to use NAT in
    > combination with personal firewalls on every desktop?
    >
    > If I use a firewall appliance, do I still need personal
    > firewalls on the desktops? I guess I do. One benefit are
    > internal attacks using tools like superscan. Am I right?
    > Other benefits?
    >
    > Regards
    > Andreas
    >
    > John Roberts wrote:
    >
    > > I started working as a sys admin at a small company (about
    > 15 people)
    > > and they are starting to think it's time to upgrade their network.
    > > Right now it's just 20 computers, running a mix of xp and 2000 on a
    > > local network, sharing files, with almost no anti virus and
    > the only
    > > protection from the outside world is the NAT that the
    > routers perform.
    > >
    > > I've tried to get the to upgrade to a domain, add a file server for
    > > backup, get some office wide virus protection and maybe
    > even take our
    > > email in house, but they've balked at the price to setup a legit
    > > windows domain. The main goals are access control on the local
    > > network and virus / worm protection. I'm suggesting a
    > Windows domain
    > > controller to enforce access control and then an centralized
    > > anti-virus product. Is this enough, and are there other (easier,
    > > cheaper, more effective ways) to make sure that only the people who
    > > need to can access the financial records, the computer people can
    > > access the all computers when they need to, and some user
    > decides to download a cute little program won't destroy the
    > whole network with a virus.
    > >
    > > Is a linux domain controller a solution, considering
    > everything else
    > > in house is windows? Is an anti-virus solution at the
    > gateway better
    > > than an anti-virus solution on each desktop? Basically,
    > what's a good
    > > way to set up a solid base of network security, which can
    > then be expanded on?
    > >
    > > John Roberts
    > >
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