RE: WIRELESS THEFT

From: ATD (simon@snosoft.com)
Date: 10/23/02 

From: ATD <simon@snosoft.com>
To: sajones@med.unc.edu
Date: 22 Oct 2002 20:24:21 -0400

Jay,
        If everyone was ethical and did what was right, there would not be a
security industry. Fact of the matter is not all people are ethical, and
many people would do things that are wrong.

On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 12:54, Stevie A. Jones wrote:
> The disclaimer on PPV's, video rentals, and sports broadcasts speaks to
> public display for the purpose of financial gain.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay DeSotel [mailto:jay@interl.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 3:22 PM
> To: security-basics@securityfocus.com
> Subject: RE: WIRELESS THEFT
>
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> On 18 Oct 2002, ONEILL David J wrote:
>
> > How is using radio waves that are intruding into you purchased property
> > different than me paying for moving my giant screen tv out into the
> > front yard and showing the world pay-for-view movies that I purchased.
> > None. I paid for the service, which is using bandwidth on the cable
> > system, and I am not charging others to watch the movie. But I am also
> > not preventing other from watching.
>
> Well, I might be wrong, but when you purchase a PPV movie, there is a
> disclaimer saying that public display is not allowed, or something along
> those lines. Anyway though, from a legal view, it does not matter if it is
> ethernet or RF. Common sense should tell you that you should not be using
> it, since you are not paying for it. I have never been one to follow along
> with the "feign ignorance", and pretend we didnt know, approach.
>
> > If is strange though, the only ones that have a problem with this are
> > people that have vested interests in getting into the pockets of the
> > innocent - WISPs and tel com folks.
>
> Who else is there to have a problem with it? ;-). Like I said in my
> previous email, they can very easliy prevent this from being an issue.
> You will have a hard time convincing anyone that you didnt know you were
> using a service that you were not paying for, to gain internet access.
>
> Bottom line, the original person who posted answered his own question
> really. You know you are not supposed to be using it. If you get caught,
> will you be in trouble? Maybe. Can they put you in jail? Maybe. Is it
> worth the risk? No.
>
> Just my $.02 ;-).
>
> --
> Jay DeSotel
> Systems Administrator
> InterLink L.C.
> <jay@interl.net>
> Voice-(319)524-2895
> Fax-(319)524-3175
> > If is strange though, the only ones that have a problem with this are
> people
> > that have vested interests in getting into the pockets of the innocent -
> WISPs
> > and tel com folks.
> >
> > Things that make you go hummmm.
> >
> > David J. O'Neill
> > NEDSS - IS7
> > Parkway Bldg., 2nd Floor
> > Phone: (503) 378-2101 ext. 364
> > FAX: (503) 378-2102
> >
> > >>> jay@interl.net 10/18/02 02:53PM >>>
> > I would have to agree with a previous post. Once you use a single bit of
> > their bandwithto the world, it would be theft of service. If you simply
> > use the network to play games with the guy next door, no problem.
> >
> > I work for a WISP, and have run into these issues before. I think what it
> > comes down to really, is that they can prevent this, either they
> > dont feel the need, or dont know how.
> >
> > --
> > Jay DeSotel
> > Systems Administrator
> > InterLink L.C.
> > <jay@interl.net>
> > Voice-(319)524-2895
> > Fax-(319)524-3175
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Ashcraft, Brian S (Contractor) wrote:
> >
> > > Let me just throw my .02 in here. I am not a lawyer, so I may be wrong.
> > >
> > > I have to believe that some where along the line, the cable companies
> End
> > > User License Agreement is being broken. They may have worked a deal
> with
> > > the local cable company to provide cable to the residents as part of
> their
> > > rental agreement. However, I have to believe that this deal is
> exclusive to
> > > them. Your interception and use of the signal (as a non-resident) may
> > > infringe on this contract between the two companies. My guess is,
> > > technically, you are breaching the EULA of the cable company, which may
> (or
> > > may not) open you up to legal troubles.
> > >
> > > Then again, I could be wrong :)
> > >
> > > Luck,
> > >
> > > -b-
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Johannes Ullrich [mailto:jullrich@euclidian.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:49 PM
> > > To: Amit P. Gandre; security-basics@securityfocus.com
> > > Subject: Re: WIRELESS THEFT
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > > Can someone tell me if there are any laws regarding wireless
> > > > theft?
> > >
> > > I don't think Congress has caught up with this yet. But from what
> > > I hear (usual disclaimer: INAL), you are free to pick up the
> > > signal as long as you are not breaking any WEP or other login
> > > restriction. Its kind of like CB radio. Everyone can legally listening
> > > to you chatting on CB radio.
> > >
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