Re: Webservers

Date: 05/17/02

Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:28:26 -0400
To: Robert Buel <>

On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 11:46:41AM -0500, Robert Buel wrote:
> That would be true if both NOS's required equal intuition to
> master...but they don't...I can stumble around in MS and see

And there's the problem. This is a security list. We're here
to learn not to just stumble around.

> configurational windows--and usually find what I'm looking for...but on
> a 'NIX box, you have to specifically enter in commands (read: know the
> commands)

read: learn enough to know what you're doing.

> to configure each aspect of the NOS. Sure, there are windowed
> GUI interfaces available, but then, it becomes Windows, doesn't it?

Then you don't know enough about operating systems. Would say that
adding a GUI to DOS made it Mac? After all, Mac popularized the GUI
and predated what you are championing. But remember that the original
poster didn't ask for an alternative to windows, but an alternative to
iis *on* windows. He can keep the GUI and have Apache too.

But if he wants to leave windows and still have a GUI, he can get Mac
OS X, get a UNIX core with the stability and security that goes with
it, Apache (after all, the question was about web servers), and a GUI
that's an integral part of the system, but doesn't crash and take the
whole system down with it. In other words, not wanting to wean off a
GUI is no excuse to not move off Windows. You may be surprised how
much software you use regularly originated on Mac.

And don't even think of arguing that the "Windows" GUI is more intuitive.
It's not intuitive to anyone who used Mac OS or KDE or any other GUI
first. It's not intuitive if it's only intuitive to people who already
know how to use it.

> I agree that once you have mastered the NOS's, that the effort to
> achieve that is, in fact, equal. It's just that the newbie would find it
> easier to have a visual representation and configurational groups to
> learn from--i.e. "figuring it out" is easier.

Once again, recalling that this is a security list, do you really want
a newbie configuring your web server? Seems like just last summer we
had a memorable incident with insufficiently experienced web admins
leaving sites vulnerable. Sure, they should have patched. But which
dialog box in which GUI does a newbie click on to learn that he should
patch? I haven't stumbled on to it yet.

> I think that better analogies might be:
> >Driving with an automatic versus a stick shift.
> >Using a manual camera versus an automatic camera
> Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree!

Better to educate the newbies here on security-basics to not just stumble
around than to merely agree to disagree. GUI or CLI, if you don't know
what you're doing, DON'T DO IT!