Re: College advice
From: William Laubernds (wlaubernds@erols.com)Date: 03/01/02
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From: William Laubernds <wlaubernds@erols.com> To: security-basics@lists.securityfocus.com Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:40:28 -0500
Hello Everyone,
I wanted to thank all of you for the great tips and links you gave to me. I
will be looking into all the advice that you supplied me with.
As always any other info that you come across will be appreciated.
Thanks again,
William
>I can vouch that this is true. I'm currently undergoing "processing" at the
> NSA for employment in the area of network security.
>
> The way it was explained to me during my initial processing was that the
> NSA will pay for an advanced degree. It wasn't specifically mentioned that
> you must attend an approved Centers of Excellence school
> (http://www.nsa.gov/isso/programs/nietp/newspg1.htm) or not.
>
> However, you will need to "pay them back" with time. In other words, if it
> takes you two years to earn your masters, then you commit to the NSA for
> another two years.
>
> Here's the best part! If you want to take time off from work to pursue the
> degree, the NSA will not only pay for school, but you can collect your full
> salary while attending school full-time. I believe this is possible for two
> semester only. I was informed that many people will take a full year off,
> two semesters back-to-back (they call it a "tour of duty"), and get paid
> while doing it!
>
> Terry Dunlap
> An NSA Hopeful
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andersson" <dlandersson@hotmail.com>
> To: "Tim V(@DZ)" <iceburn@dangerzone.com>; <wlaubernds@erols.com>;
> <security-basics@lists.securityfocus.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: College advice
>
> > Tim,
> >
> > Is this rumor only, or do you have some links to go with this?
> >
> > Dave A
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim V(@DZ)" <iceburn@dangerzone.com>
> > To: <wlaubernds@erols.com>; <security-basics@lists.securityfocus.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:21 AM
> > Subject: College advice
> >
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> > > The NSA will actually pay for some or all of your higher education if
> > > you stick with computer security. The catch is you have to go to one
> > > of the approved schools. The only one I remember from the list was
> > > ISU. Then you are required to work for the NSA for X number of years
> > > after school if I remember right. Anyway, you can search around
> > > google or the NSA website for more info.
> > >
> > > - -t
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - -----Original Message-----
> > > From: William Laubernds [mailto:wlaubernds@erols.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 2:06 PM
> > > To: Nick Patellis; 'Coffey, Christopher S.'; 'william taylor';
> > > security-basics@lists.securityfocus.com
> > > Subject: Re: certification advice
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > > I have a similar question to the one that was asked earlier. I'm in
> > > 11th
> > > grade and have pretty much made up my mind to take the path of going
> > > to
> > > college. I was wondering if there are any good colleges that you
> > > might
> > > recommend to me that specialize in networking security as a
> > > major(looking for
> > > Bachelors degree if available).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > William
> > >
> > > > Here is my view:
> > > >
> > > > IF you have the time the 4 yr degree always wins in the end.
> > > > Especially in a time of a economic slowdown. I live in central Fla
> > > > and I can say that a degree w\o experience is better than a cert
> > > > w\o exp. However, it does take commitment! Of all the areas where
> > > > I
> > > > believe this is true is in SW development. Anybody can pickup a
> > > > C++ book and with a lot of effort, be a good "programmer". Very
> > > > few can truly become good SW Engineers. There is a big difference
> > > > between the two. I have worked with both types and the SW
> > > > Engineer is the way to go and will always be ahead in the hiring
> > > > process.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, I am NOT a programmer, just a humble security type.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Nick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Nick Patellis
> > > > Attorneys' Title Insurance Fund
> > > > 407.240.3863 x7412
> > > > npatellis@thefund.com
> > > > "The desire to click through far outweighs the reason not to."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Coffey, Christopher S.
> > > > [mailto:Christopher.Coffey@mail.va.gov] Sent: Monday, February 11,
> > > > 2002 2:15 PM
> > > > To: 'william taylor'; security-basics@lists.securityfocus.com
> > > > Subject: RE: certification advice
> > > >
> > > > Ok, There are two basic paths to take depending on your situation.
> > > >
> > > > 1- Go to college and get a good technical degree (Computer science
> > > > or Electrical Engineering) so at 22-23 years of age you get your
> > > > first job, with a degree and some type of part time work
> > > > experience (while in college) you should be able to start out
> > > > around $40k/ish. After 4-5 years experience and a few
> > > > certifications under your belt you should be in the $70-80k range
> > > > depending on the cost of living in the area you work.
> > > >
> > > > 2- The other route (this is how I went) its a bit harder but some
> > > > think its better (all about how you want to get there) After high
> > > > school I joined the Navy and went into a IT field as a computer
> > > > specialist. After 10 years, I moved into the Civilian side with a
> > > > AS degree and a couple of certifications and 10 years of IT
> > > > experience. I was able to make 60k+ right out the door. Now as I
> > > > get some more
> > > > civilian experience and work toward my BS degree I'll be able to
> > > > move up toward the $100k range...
> > > >
> > > > These are but two examples, it really boils down to you either have
> > > > to go to school (buy your education), or work your way up from the
> > > > bottom (apprentice), the more you learn- and the faster you learn,
> > > > the faster you will climb the ladder. As far as getting the
> > > > experience and
> > > > applied knowledge they just take time.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: william taylor [mailto:idnbh135@hotmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 2:42 PM
> > > > To: jmjaszew@facstaff.wisc.edu
> > > > Cc: security-basics@lists.securityfocus.com
> > > > Subject: Re: certification advice
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i am a beginner in security, and i am going to be starting on my A+
> > > > certification course pretty soon. i had a question regarding your
> > > > talk of "experience" and "applied knowledge." how exactly does a
> > > > person GET this experience and applied knowledge? is it from a job
> > > > (in which case, how do you get the job without experience)? or is
> > > > it from being an "apprentice," if you will (in which case, how do
> > > > you become an apprentice)? i am still in
> > > >
> > > > high school, and so i was just wondering which path to take, how to
> > > > get there, etc... anyone with any imput would be a great help
> > > >
> > > > charles
> > >
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