Re(2): certification advice

From: Nick Edens (nedens@checkerdist.com)
Date: 02/12/02 

To: "william taylor" <idnbh135@hotmail.com>, jmjaszew@facstaff.wisc.edu
From: "Nick Edens" <nedens@checkerdist.com>
Date: 12 Feb 2002 10:06:00 -0400

What happened with me was this.
I got a job out of High School working with a consulting company making only
the same amount of money that I could at wendys or mcdonalds.
After working there for almost 2 years ( and several job offers later) I took a
job with one of my consultants and now I make a lot more money. I would
definitely recommend consulting as that usually opens the doors to more job
opportunities.
However you really do have to know what you are doing in order to get any real
job offers.

- Nick

william taylor (2/9/02 4:41 PM):
>i am a beginner in security, and i am going to be starting on my A+
>certification course pretty soon. i had a question regarding your talk of
>"experience" and "applied knowledge." how exactly does a person GET this
>experience and applied knowledge? is it from a job (in which case, how do
>you get the job without experience)? or is it from being an "apprentice,"
>if you will (in which case, how do you become an apprentice)? i am still in
>high school, and so i was just wondering which path to take, how to get
>there, etc... anyone with any imput would be a great help
>
>charles
>
>
>>From: "Jason M. Jaszewski" <jmjaszew@facstaff.wisc.edu>
>>To: <security-basics@securityfocus.com>
>>Subject: FW: Certification Advice
>>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:14:59 -0600
>>
>>Just figured I'd throw in my $0.02. I think that the whole idea behind
>>certs
>>is just that you have proof that you have basic knowledge of whatever
>>you're
>>certified in. This doesn't mean the tests are necessarily easy. It is
>>possible to get a lot just by studying a book, but again, you don't get
>>experience that way. As someone who is going through the process right now,
>>I can say it does open doors to the interview, but experience and actual
>>applied knowledge are the key. Had I not had some experience in networking,
>>I would not have the particular job I do have, only because I have A+,
>>Net+,
>>and MCP; experience got me there. My goal is to get the certs (MCSE, CCNA,
>>CCNP, etc.), get as much experience as I can, and then look for the open
>>doors. In past interviews, much less emphasis was put on the actual cert
>>(one person didn't know what Net+ cert is, which isn't very surprising),
>>and
>>more was put on what I've done in the field and what I've learned from
>>that,
>>than what my books, or even classes, taught me. The idea here is that a
>>book
>>can try and cover many things, but there are many, many more problems and
>>situations that arise that aren't easily figured out from reading a
>>chapter.
>>Hence, one of the reasons for this list. If you have the money, I would say
>>get the certs. Chances are, they won't hurt your chances.
>>
>>j
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nivek_009 [mailto:nivek_009@hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:56 PM
>>Cc: security-basics@securityfocus.com
>>Subject: Re: Certification Advice
>>
>>
>>CAN? Not familiar with this, are you referring to Novell's CNA, by any
>>chance?
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Daymon McCartney" <dmccartney@core.com>
>>To: <iping00@bellsouth.net>
>>Cc: <security-basics@securityfocus.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:09 PM
>>Subject: RE: Certification Advice
>>
>>
>> > Out of curiosity, how did you manage the CCIE without work experience?
>>From
>> > everyone I've talked to, including other CCIEs, this is nearly an
>>impossible
>> > feat unless you've been working with it for a while in a hands-on
>> > environment. Do you have a photographic memory!? :-)
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: iping00@bellsouth.net [mailto:iping00@bellsouth.net]
>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:25 AM
>> > To: Igor D. Spivak; security-basics@securityfocus.com
>> > Subject: Re: Certification Advice
>> >
>> > I have a CAN, CCIE, CCNA, CCDP, MCSE, and an A+, and currently attending
>> > collage for computer science.
>> > I still cant get a job, because I have no work experience.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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