Re: Please help a young aspiring security professional
From: TD - Sales International Holland B.V. (td@salesint.com)Date: 01/09/02
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From: "TD - Sales International Holland B.V." <td@salesint.com> To: Mark Ng <hostmaster@qpp.co.uk>, Marc towers <towaz@yahoo.com>, Douglas Pichardo <vbnova@myrealbox.com>, security-basics@securityfocus.com Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:00:17 +0100
On Wednesday 09 January 2002 11:22, Mark Ng stuffed this into my mailbox:
sortta the same with me.... although school tests proved i should be able to
get the highest grade of education i never did. totally f**** up my
education. let's just say I ain't happy in school. I can't learn in
classes... just goes too slow and way too boring. Still, I wish like you, I
did it the conventional way and got some degrees. But the customers that know
me have no problems hiring me because I've proven myself already. Guess you
have sortta the same thing, you can show you're in charge of a 250~300 user
network and that's a good reference, especially if your boss is willing to
say you did a wonderful job all those years. I was lucky to get in here...
there was a short in people on the market and when I got here they said they
weren't too sure and they put me in a room a whole day and had me engineer
some stuff and configure some things then when they saw all worked fine I was
hired. I guess if the market shortage wasn't there I might not been given
this chance, and I don't know where I would be now in that case... Perhaps I
would have found computer work somewhere, perhaps I wouldn't. All the people
that are willing to hire me now (i have like about 12 job offers) all know me
from this company and have seen my work. I know for a fact they wouldn't be
that eager if I hadn't worked here all that time...... in fact, they probably
wouldn't be interested at all :/
But, I got in and I'm climbing those long stairs to the top now hehe :-) and
I don't intend to stop until I'm there
regards and best of luck to ya all
> It's not always the case. I'm 21 now and I am in charge of the network for
> a 250-300 User publishing company running UNIX and NT machines (I've
> renewed most of the network over the last 4 years). If you choose to do it
> the hard way without CS degrees and such however, you should be prepared
> for the sarcasm, having to work 5 times harder than anyone else to get
> recognition and people looking down their noses. Also, you should stay
> with one company for as long as possible. After four years, I'm finally
> looking for another employer. Even though I'm 21, (the age I would have
> been if I'd got a CS degree), there are opportunities that are open to me
> that would never be open to a CS graduate at this age.
>
> However, I do wish that I'd done things the conventional way and done the
> degree. There are some companies who will ignore you if you don't have a
> degree whether or not you have the skills/professional
> qualifications/experience. I'm rather thankful that most of those
> companies are the kind of companies I'm not keen on working for at the
> moment. That, of course in the future, may change.
>
> All of this of course applies to my experience in the UK. Attitudes may be
> radically different in other countries, or maybe I just got lucky.
>
> As I've stated to you off-list, good luck in your quest.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Ng (CCNA)
>
> >The problem is your age probably. I'm 22 now and working in a hardware
>
> store
>
> >(i don't know the english word... just call us dealer for now, we sell to
> >other stores not end-users). I started out here when I was 18 building
> >systems and testing defective components. Most of our customers where very
> >sceptical about me, because I was young (was? still am :-)) a
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