Re: I want the PT list back....

On Dec 10, 2007 10:51 PM, Joseph McCray <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
* NAC Solutions (tricky, but not as tough as Host-based IPS - MAC/IP
spoofing still gets by of the stuff I've run into) ; osvdb2.0 (usual answer for everything - check out its
search capabilities - )

* Host-Based IPS Solutions (really tough to beat - at least for me) ; immdbg -

* Wireless IPS Solutions (a joke)

host or network based? more people should be re-writing drivers so
that they ignore deauthentication messages

I'd be curious if these are any good (they're probably just zero-day
waiting to happen) -
hotspot defense kit -

In my opinion, if you aren't using at least WPA2-Personal (preferably
with HostAP, which will let you specify different passphrases on a
per-mac basis), then there is no point to WIDS/WIPS.

Most organizations will likely want to run PEAP or even PEAP-EAP-TLS
(very strong if done right!), but IMO these are over-complicated. Any
non-NSA organization is better off running a WPA2-Personal
infrastructure that allows different passphrases for different clients
(such as HostAP), but making damn sure every SSID and passphrase are
both complete to full-character set and pseudo-random. I suggest
using the following:
For SSID (this doesn't really matter as long as its a very unique value)
$ cat /dev/urandom | tr -cd [:alnum:] | fold -w 32 | head -1
For WPA2-PSK (this matters quite a lot)
$ cat /dev/urandom | tr -cd [:xdigit:] | tr [:lower:] [:upper:] | fold
-w 64 | head -1
although just in case that happens to be a dictionary word you might
want to do this instead
$ cat /dev/urandom | tr -cd [:graph:] | fold -w 63 | head -1
I think in the case of using a string, it's hashed with the SSID and
some other material in order to produce the hex value, which is the
real PSK

If you're really paranoid, you could setup WKnock and change your SSID
often and simultaneously run FakeAP. I've always wanted to setup a
few radios to make a better FakeAP that appeared more realistic... a
WiFi honeynet so to speak

* 802.1x - I haven't seen it on an assessment yet.

PEAP clients often don't validate server certificates, leading to
MITM. Wait for Josh Wright's new talk at Shmoocon -!.html
- to hear even more. Also see the tool (send raw packets
and MITM)

networks from the outside. Port scanning and VA tools are damn near
useless from external.

Not if you hit port 80 or 443, or a web server running on a different
port. Do you ever run into Cisco routers open for SNMP, BGP, and
other things during assessments?

For me web app, to back end server, to the LAN is so rare it might as
well be non-existent. Web app to DB - yeah...but not to internal LAN for
me very much.

In the WASC project on honeyproxies, the data/stats are showing that
Command Injection, Dynamic Execution, and File Inclusion are much more
successful than common attacks such as XSS or SQLi. CORE IMPACT
supports SQLi, File Inclusion, and Command Injection (but not XSS
yet). Mail command injection appears to be very common e.g.

Here's a cross-platform command injection available from WAHH -
|| ping -i 30 ; x || ping -n 30 &
(if the app pauses for 30 seconds, you probably are on to something)
Try the above with single pipes, semi-colons, ampersands, backticks,
and LF's (%0a)

The FOSS tool, w3af, supports much of the above easily - and is going
to perform multi-stage attacks (integration with metasploit, using
source to extend attacks, using RFI to stage a new attack
automatically, etc). See - and check
out the tutorials on this blog -

Remote file inclusion means that you'll need to host the PHP (or other
dynamic script) somewhere. It's incredibly easy to find both runtime
and with source - probably easier than finding URL redirection.

I have a huge list of source code scanners for PHP on
starting with "Inspekt, Pixy, RATS, SWAAT, PHP-SAT, PHPSecAudit, PSA3,
and FIS (File Inclusion Scanner, with the extended tool, WebSpidah)".

Spear phishing with or without client-side exploits is it for me for
external to internal. <-- How about you guys? (mentions Mr. T and Metagoofil)
Secunia PSI
Aruba (Josh Wright) WiFiDEnum
Snort/Sourcefire OfficeCat

Spear phishing tests are great because you ask the security team if
you can own them by sending them links to click on. They should just
assume that anyone in the company will click any link you send - so
don't bother with "zero-knowledge"... just let the security pro's use
their builds. This will also let them play with live exploits, so
they can honeypot trap with Argos - - or
perform mock incident response.

Internal networks are still a mess, riddled with old vulnerabilities -
even when the customer has patch management solutions. I can't be as
noisy trying to find them like the good old days - but they are still
there - the bigger the company the more legacy crap they have.

Sounds like a job for XSS tunneling

Rarely I find a Linux box on the client's network that I can use to set
up shop these days so I've had to develop a collection of command-line
windows tools. Anybody else in this boat? If so what's in your toolkit?
I started with from Phoenix 2600 and have been customizing it.

Oh I hang out with those guys. We're trying to re-vitalize Phoenix
2600 because the meetings have died down a lot. Are lots of people
using this?

For wireless I pretty much just use Kisment/Aircrack-NG, but I'm really
interested in wicrawl. Anyone using it on pentests yet?

Up until this past DefCon release of wicrawl, it was really poor from
what I hear from WiFi auditors and assesors. I haven't had time to
play with it in the last 5 months, but I do recommend that people try

I assume that Kismet, wicrawl, aircrack-ng, and aircrack-ptw are all
on the Backtrack 3 CD/USB ISO's. Certainly these are the best tools
to use, but there is a lot more out there. My laptop I used to type
this is sitting on top of Hacking Exposed Wireless; great book

Be sure to check out this video, too -

For WiFi, it's more about hardware - and that's why I think investing
in Nokia N800/N810 gear, Soekris boards running Pyramid Linux, and CM9
cards -
are a really good idea. Both make ideal platforms to run WiFiZoo and
KARMA, in addition to all the tools already mentioned. WiFiZoo on the
iPhone would also be nice, if it's even possible

Inguma looks interesting, I run into Oracle on tests a lot. Is anyone
using it - if so what do you think?

Also and,descCd-DOWNLOAD.html

Some attacks that look really interesting - but I don't know of anyone
doing them in assessments? Can someone shed some light?
* Remote SQL/PHP Shell Injection

See above

I look forward to hearing from you guys....let me know what you are
running into.


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