RE: rules of engagement scope

Realizing it's just an opinion you've offered, you need to
normalize that opinion with reality. The scope limits on
pen tests have their origin in the Availability 'head' of the
CIA triumvirate, and the liabilities associated when the
tested object is connected to systems over which the contracted
party has no direct responsibility (for example).

It ain't fraud... it's just common sense.

-----Original Message-----
From: mr.nasty@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mr.nasty@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:33 PM
To: pen-test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: rules of engagement scope

Rules of Engagement Scope is as absurd as legally shredding
audit papers. Let me give you an example. Pen-Tests are
usually performed after a vulnerability test, which is done
to support a financial audit, which is used to provide
shareholders definite information regarding the stability of
an organization. If an organization requires a limited scope
pen-test without disclosure wouldn't this constitute as a
lie? Think about this just for a second. If you sign a
Government form and there are mistakes on the form then you
can be charged with FRAUD. So if an organization establishes
'ROE' that sets a limited scope on the pen-test without
public disclosure, why is that different than FRAUD?
National Security? MHO is that pen-tests are as important as
the certified financial statements used by organizations and
should have public disclaimers of ROE. When an organization
is audited with certain constraints that information is or
should be disclosed within those statements. Information
that is not disclosed regarding these limitations to me is
considered FRAUD! But then, that's just my opinion I could
be monitored, jailed, fined and detained.


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