RE: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT

I couldn't agree with you more. But if someone has the knowledge and the
know how then taking the exam won't hurt a bit. But I completely agree with
you 100% as I myself own a Security Consulting Firm and have run into the
same problem. You need to Know the practical side and the real life side and
finding good people who do and keep current on it is always a challnge.




-----Original Message-----
From: intel96 [mailto:intel96@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:37 PM
To: James Boomer
Cc: 'Mambo'; cenkornek@xxxxxxxxx; pen-test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT

James,

I would argue that the term licensed penetration tester has very little
weight. When I see the term licensed I think of doctors, nurses,
lawyers, and others that have to take board exams in the states where
they want to practice their trade. While taken the licensed
penetration tester exam and passing show that you have the knowledge for
the material used in the testing process, it does not prove anything else.

Case in point I had the pleasure of conducting a security assessment for
a bank after the the organization fired a certified security
professional. The bank hired the certified person to conduct the
assessment based on the person's high-level security certificates. That
person passed the written exam, but had no practical experience.

Just because someone has a certification or in this case a license to be
a penetration tester mean very little when it comes to liability.
Liability protection comes from others factors like good insurance,
proven methodologies, a solid statement of work, NDAs, liability
waivers, and trained personnel.

I feel that anyone in this business needs to improve themselves daily to
even keep up especially when you start citing due diligence as a reason
to obtain the licensed penetration tester. Due diligence is another
can of worms that we do not need to open in this thread.

Intel96, EIEIO ANY MANY MORE TO GO (I have doctors that tell me that I
have too many initials after my name, maybe I should add LPT too...NOT!)



James Boomer wrote:
With the licensed Penetration Tester it help you when you need to prove
due
diligence. If you audit a company or an internal network if something
were
to happen it protects you more as far liability. Especially if you turn
around and start a security consulting firm or work for one, but other
than
that it doesn't due a whole lot for you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mambo [mailto:mamboz@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:08 PM
To: cenkornek@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: pen-test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Licensed Penetration Tester LPT

I think CHECK adds more value.

On 17 Apr 2006 12:22:11 -0000, cenkornek@xxxxxxxxx <cenkornek@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Hi group,

I am a CEH (Certified Ethical hacker)from e-council. Is there anyone out

there who has taken LPT (Licensed Penetration Tester) certificate from
e-council? Would you recommend it?

Thanks in advance

Cenk Kaan ORNEK






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