Re: CEH training

From: ctg (plumme_at_gmail.com)
Date: 06/30/05

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    Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:52:50 +0100
To: pen-test@securityfocus.com

    > 2. Speaking to the point of the instructor -- in instructor led training
    > this will make or break the course. If this guy is a d$ck or does not
    > explain but reads the book that's a problem. It is important to have a
    > well respected, technical trainer that can deliver the course to the
    > students and also has field time in front of clients and doing
    > assessments so when the students take the practical exam/Prometric
    > muli-choice they can say... WOW I learned something.

    Is this enough, I have seen people getting to training courses and
    cheating their way thru the course. Then getting place somewhere where
    they glows because of the certification what they got. The problem
    occurs and organisation reflect this problem to this individual which
    is in trouble at this point, because he/she cheated and didn't want to
    read the manual and try to things on his/her own.

    The big problem really is that people don't want to use their freetime
    to do things, try them out and try to find the solution on their own.
    I face situation everyday when people come back to me, asking question
    from all kind of things. Thing is that I have to think for them, and
    people just accept the answer, whatever the answer is.

    When the instructor tells you about the situations, person in hand is
    able to remember that piece of information for 12 hours and then it
    start to drop out, unless it's really important thing for the people
    remember. Only way in 'Hacker' type of courses is that you do thing
    before, you read the manual, and then you ask the question when you
    got stuck.

    After that what you can do, do you believe on the answer what you got
    from instructor and test it. OR do you take advice, test it and try to
    form a conclusion?

    I'm just saying that certification courses are good to certain point,
    those give you base information and nudge you on correct direction. At
    the end, you have to be able figure things on your own, or it's no
    good.

    -ctg.-

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