Fw: Re: Mapping Class A network ( any easy trick?)

From: Volker Tanger (vtlists_at_wyae.de)
Date: 02/09/05

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    Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:01:50 +0100
    To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
    
    

    Greetings!

    On 8 Feb 2005 16:41:33 -0000
    John Thomas <mjohn2000_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > I am about to do a penetration testing on a “Class A
    > network” and wondering how I can map the network
    > without pinging 17 million IPs.(nmap -Sp 10.0.0.0/8)

    If you assume that such a "big" net is generously divided into class-C
    8or bigger) networks, then it should be sufficient to ping the usual
    suspects: .1 and .254 - where usually routers have their base within the
    net. If you want you could add a class-C broadcast just to make sure.

    With this you save a factor 100 off your share and usually find out
    populated subnets of the class-A one. Then proceed with fine-grained
    inspection of the class-C ones found.

    Beware: this only works on the assumption that "border" addresses are
    usually populated - which may not always hold true.

    A full class-A pingrun will take the better half a year if done
    on-per-second, two days if done 100 per second, etc.

    A 10Mbit/s line will max out somewhere below 10.000 pings per second, or
    100k resp. 1M-Pings on 100Mbit/1Gbit LANs. So if you (are allowed to)
    saturate the LAN you might theoretically be able scan the net within 20
    seconds or a few minutes. Theoretically.

    In practice that probably will be a few hours on a LAN-only net. This is
    do-able but will quite probably not go undetected even if there is no
    IDS running, especially not via (usually) congested WAN lines.

    Another option (more time-consuming yet way less intrusive) is to let
    ARPWATCH run and map the addresses in action - only within the local
    network, that is.

    The choice is depending on wether you want to save time or publicity...
    ;-)

    Bye
            Volker

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