RE: RFID Tags

From: Thompson, Jimi (JimiT_at_mail.cox.smu.edu)
Date: 05/12/04

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    Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:43:51 -0500
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    <SNIP>

    > It seems to me that some of these attacks sound great at first, but
    break
    > down when you consider how it would REALLY play out. For one, if you
    get on the train and inventory everyone's clothing...how do you know
    which shirt
    > goes with which pants or shoes?

    Easy - signal strength.
    </SNIP>

    Let's go back to our hypothetical commuter train for a moment. I think
    that this would be more valuable in a targeted attack than a general
    fishing expedition. Let's pretend for a moment that I'm a black hat and
    I'm looking to score. The one thing people carry with them that's the
    most valuable is data. If I've been hired by ABC Company to snoop on
    XYZ Company, all I have to do find out which train the Finance Manager,
    Senior Director John Doe, rides on. Now I walk up to him, and instead
    of bumping into everyone on the train, I just bump into John Doe. By
    doing this, I've just cloned the contents of his wallet, PDA, cell
    phone, and briefcase. If the business cards he's got tucked away carry
    RFID, I know who his business contacts are. His cell phone will give me
    even more data. Since cell encryption is a joke, at least in the US, I
    should be able to tap in to all the important cell numbers and monitor
    their discussions. I might even be able to remotely activate the phone
    and with the contents of his PDA, I'll have a better idea of when I want
    to listen. I can probably find out what his credit cards are being used
    for, even if I can't charge things on them myself. I'll know where he
    shops, since his clothing and other items all have RFID. How much more
    do you want to "own" someone? Using the information that tapping his
    personal data gives me, I can expand my net to include other employees
    of XYZ Company. If he's doing anything indiscreet, I'm going to know
    about it in fairly short order and then he's really mine.

    <SNIP>

    As for credit cards, this is extremely easy to deal with. The cards
    > themselves that have been seen so far have a very limited range,
    measured in
    > inches. I can think of a wallet design that would shield the cards a
    bit,

    It's a plan, but this is just asking for the Black Hat to use a
    stronger transceiver. It's just building a higher fence; not really
    a long-term solution.
    </SNIP>

    I can't get end users to quit downloading on line Casino software. I'm
    certainly not going to be able to get them to purchase shielded wallets!

    <SNIP>
    > up against everyone like a comically-indiscreet pickpocket. And this
    all
    > assumes that all the credit cards in the wallet don't respond at the
    same
    > time, on the same frequency, thus garbling the results.
    </SNIP>

    Again, I think this is far more likely to be used in a targeted attack
    than a generalize attack.

    <SNIP>

    Unfortunately, the real world dictates that security be a feature of
    pretty well everything.
    </SNIP>
    <SNIP>

    I imagine that a database will be built which will list individual
    numbers, and ranges of numbers, which are known to correspond to
    specific items.

    </SNIP>

    You mean like the lists that exist of police and fire radio frequencies,
    which are supposed to be "secret".

    <SNIP>
    > A RFid tag has big limitations too, once you chop off part of the
    antenna
    > it's worthless. The physics of radio waves limits that.
    </SNIP>

    Why should the attack simply be to read the data? What if I replace the
    data? Or what if I just destroy the data? Or if I'm a terrorist and I
    want to hide my identity? Can I obscure the data from law enforcement
    while I'm in a crowd at say a rock concert?

    2 cents,

    Jimi Thompson

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