SV: Why eEye Retina (was MBSA scanner)
From: Niklas Blomquist (nb_at_ipro.se)
Date: 05/07/04
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Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 11:06:33 +0200 To: "Steve Goldsby (ICS)" <sgoldsby@networkarmor.com>
Why do you thing that CA VM not is a good product?
Do you know any other product that can do the same thing? I do not looking for a vulnerability scanner. I need a product like the CA VM.
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Från: Steve Goldsby (ICS) [mailto:sgoldsby@networkarmor.com]
Skickat: den 26 april 2004 18:02
Till: Steve Goldsby (ICS); Rainer Duffner; Doty, Stephen (BearingPoint)
Kopia: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Ämne: RE: Why eEye Retina (was MBSA scanner)
CA's eTrust Vulnerability Manager is not a good product.
We had a hard-sell demo in our office, and we were not impressed.
Typical CA sales tactic, you can demo the box, but only for a week, and
only if their engineer babysits it the whole time. It DOES however,
enforce strong policy definition and management, which is where most
organizations fall down. If you don't have policy, this box has less
use.
<get on high horse>
Most organizations (in my experience) simply buy a vulnerability
scanner, run it periodically, and patch what it tells them to patch.
When a patch/fix breaks an application, they back it out. There is
usually very little regard to what other security controls are in place
to mitigate the risk.
Basically, you're playing catchup all the time. Chase the patch, chase
the vulnerability.
</get on high horse>
As an aside: to get around the "chase the patch" mess, look at Cisco
Security Agent (formerly Okena). We run this on all our assets, and we
are running the same binaries and same policy that we loaded **9 months
ago** and we have not had a "hack" yet. No updates, no patches, no
policy changes. We have clients that litteral have a 4 hour maintenance
window each *quarter* and they cannot patch their boxes as patches
become available. Okena/CSA gets around this problem beautifully. And,
it plain works.
This is what personal firewalls should have been doing all along.
Steve Goldsby
www.networkarmor.com
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From: Rainer Duffner [mailto:rainer@ultra-secure.de]
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 5:50 PM
To: Doty, Stephen (BearingPoint)
Cc: pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: Why eEye Retina (was MBSA scanner)
Doty, Stephen (BearingPoint) wrote:
>How does something like CA's eTrust Vulnerability Manager product
compare -
>so that continual scanning is not required using ISS, Nessus, Retina,
etc ?
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How does this thing work then ?
I mean, NeVO uses passive scanning, and Nessus-scanning, but this
"thing" ?
Oh, I see:
"Q: How does eTrust Vulnerability Manager detect vulnerabilities? "
"A: eTrust Vulnerability Manager uses non-intrusive methods to detect
vulnerabilities on an asset through a two-step process. Step one is the
identification of technologies running on an asset. This may be
accomplished through manual input or automatically by eTrust"
Vulnerability Manager Service, which identifies the version, patch and
hot fix level of technologies running on an asset. This information is
then correlated with CA s security database to identify the
vulnerabilities that apply to the asset."
Can anyone, who runs this, comment on wether this leads to lots of false
positives/false negatives ?
Does it need an agent ?
And, to be honest, I can't stand "appliances" with specs like that:
"eTrust Vulnerability Manager is an appliance-based solution that runs
on Windows 2000 Server Platform and can be accessed by Internet Explorer
5.0 and higher. "
A 'security-appliance' with the most bug-ridden, most-exploited OS on
the planet, to be used with the most bug-ridden, most-exploited
application running on top of it ?
And:
"In addition, eTrust Vulnerability Manager Service supports: " IBM AIX "
HP-UX " Red Hat Linux " Sun Solaris " Windows NT/2000/XP/Server 2003"
Does that mean it only detects vulnerabilities on those OSs ?
What about all the other stuff that floats around ? The printer that
runs some form of embedded Linux with a vulnerable Apache ?
Rainer
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