RE: CEH and Intense School

From: Bartholomew, Brian J (BartholomewBJ_at_state.gov)
Date: 11/07/03

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    To: "'Andrew Turner'" <andrewhturner@yahoo.com>, "'pen-test@securityfocus.com'" <pen-test@securityfocus.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 08:50:08 -0500

    Andrew,

            I have taken the course and numerous others that compare, and by
    far, this course was the best. But, even though it was the best, don't go
    in there expecting to come out the Uber Kewl Haxor that they perceive in
    their ads. The course material was OK, but as stated in a previous email,
    the instructors friggin rock. Clement is definitely the best instructor I
    have had in a while.

            Put up against two other popular "Hacking" courses, this beats them
    hands down. The other two that I have sampled is Foundstone's Ultimate
    Hacking, and Ultimate Hacking Expert, and SANS Track 4 Incident Handling and
    Hacker Exploits. All three of these were good courses, but not as
    structured. Also, the added benefit of gaining the CEH at the end of the
    course, as lame as it may sound, makes it better than the other three.

            Regarding the CEH...It is frowned upon by a lot of people as a
    cheesy certification glorifying script kiddies, but I have to say, it gets
    you money, and after all, isn't that what we are all about anyway?

            My suggestion is to take the course. Make sure you stay in a hotel
    and not at home, as classes run some nights past 2100. Also, make sure you
    are up to date on the various methodologies and techniques employed by the
    bad guys so you can bring up questions that are relevant to today (i.e. -
    Don't ask about things like "Ping of Death" or "Stacheldracht"). Study
    wireless, as you will most likely spend an entire day on it. The biggest
    thing to remember is go in there with an open mind and you will love the
    course. If you go in expecting it to suck, you will be disappointed.

            Sorry for the rambling, but I am sick of people blasting a course
    that most of them haven't taken.

    P.S. - Sytex runs a good course too.

    Brian J. Bartholomew
    U.S. Dept of State, Bureau of Diplomatic Security
    Computer Incident Response Team
    (W) (571)345-2654
    (C) (202)369-6349

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Andrew Turner [mailto:andrewhturner@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:11 PM
    To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
    Subject: CEH and Intense School

    Greetings,

    I am considering taking the Ethical Hacking course
    tought by Intense School. Has anyone had experience
    with this training program? If so, I would be very
    interested in hearing your comments on the program.

    Thanks in Advance! 

    --
Andrew H. Turner, CISSP
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