Re: CEH and Intense School
From: Bilal Dar (bilal_at_it-pro.net)
Date: 11/07/03
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To: <pen-test@securityfocus.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:46:56 +0300
Hi everyone,
I find you people lucky that you can attend such courses, i know they cant
make anyone hacker but atleast they can put you on the rite track. I always
wanted to know more about security or in other words how you can hack
someone. For that i took CS majors, i knew it wasnt of much use so i started
taking netwoking courses. Started working with linux did a lot of
certifications mcse,ccna,ccnp even half way to ccie. But this was not i
really wanted, i still did not know much about hacking. Then i took
elearning courses from sans that gave me more information than i gathered in
my last 4 yrs. Even that didnt help me much because i was not able to find
most of the tools.
Now recently i asked my manager to patch all the systems caz they might get
hacked, he didnt believe me. He asked me to hack one of them and then he
will consider doing that. I cudnt hack so i just got my laptop infected with
blaster worm connected it on my LAN and when computers started rebooting he
agreed.
In short i couldnt achive what i wanted in 5 yrs, even though i worked hard
on it. The course from SANS "hacker techniques, exploits and incident
handling" gave me more information than what i have gathered in all these
years but still it was not enuff. I think you just need to get in the rite
direction and be with the rite community on net where you can share
information.
Regards
Bilal Dar.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Mercer" <inom@ozemail.com.au>
To: "'Andrew Turner'" <andrewhturner@yahoo.com>; "Penetration Testers"
<PEN-TEST@SECURITYFOCUS.COM>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 1:19 AM
Subject: RE: CEH and Intense School
> Hi Andrew,
>
> A few questions to find out about Ethical Hacking courses;
>
> Q-What's covered over the course
> Remember most courses are +- 4 - 5k, that's good money, make the sales
> man do his job and explain, ask for references from past attendees.
>
> Q-How many times has this course been delivered
> You want more than 4 to know the bugs are ironed out in labs and so on.
>
> Q-What equipment do I get to use.
> You don't want to be stuck with a p2 300 laptop with 64 megs.
>
> Q-How many and what do the lab consist of
> If it's a 5 day course you would want 4 - 5 labs of a reasonable
> duration and complexity (not just one box with Unicode) or it may be
> death by PPT
>
> Q-Do the labs have multiple OS and applications that need exploiting.
> Your there for as much experience as you can get
>
> Q-How old are the patch levels on the lab boxes
> If they are using NT4 sp 1 and Redhat 5.3 you are not going to learn
> stuff you can use a lot every day. That said even old exploits can teach
> you the mindset you need to use new exploits.
>
> Q-Is there a Firewalls involved in the lab.
> Once again you want experience, if the course developer has gone to the
> trouble to configs and design labs that have multiple technologies and
> made a hack that needs you to bounce around all of them, you can believe
> the course is well thought out.
>
> Q-In the course how much is different or not in the Hacking Exposed
> book. Foundstone have not only been writing books for years on hacking,
> that everybody consults at some stage but have also been teaching for as
> long or longer. So I would want to know how they differentiate
> themselves from other courses or what's is in the book. Remember the
> book only costs $50.
>
>
> Q-What tools do you use on the course and do I get a CDrom with them all
> on at the end of the course
> If they show you all the tools they have personally written and wont
> share them or the ones they use cost gazillions to buy that may limit
> how useful the course is.
>
> Q-how much time is spent on automated vulnerability scanners (AVS)
> Your not there to learn to point and click. AVS have there place but
> knowing how to do it yourself is why you are there.
>
> Q-What's for lunch
>
> Q-Is the t-shirt cool
>
>
> This is just a few questions I would ask.
>
> Kind regards
> Peter Mercer (look no alpherbet soup)
> 92487000
> 0419892600
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Turner [mailto:andrewhturner@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 12:47 AM
> To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
> Subject: CEH and Intense School
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am considering taking the Ethical Hacking course
> tought by Intense School. Has anyone had experience
> with this training program? If so, I would be very
> interested in hearing your comments on the program.
>
> Thanks in Advance!
>
> --
> Andrew H. Turner, CISSP
>
>
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