RE: CEH and Intense School
From: Erik Birkholz (erik_at_foundstone.com)
Date: 11/06/03
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:36:37 -0800 To: <jvfields@tds.net>, <pen-test@securityfocus.com>
I agree with James, "This course will NOT make you a "hacker." Being a
hacker has a lot to do with personal interest, inclination, desire, and
hard work."
I have been an instructor for Ernst & Young's Extreme Hacking,
Foundstone's Ultimate Hacking, Foundstone's Ultimate Hacking Expert and
Black Hat Briefings during the past 6 years and my advice is you should
learn the concepts, skills and tools before you take the classes. There
are many books and nice people out there that will help you along the
way. Then take the "hands on" classes to reinforce and interact with
others that are learning right along side of you.
Be sure to attend technical conferences like Black Hat Briefings and
learn from guys like David Litchfield, Chip Andrews, Tim Mullen, Eric
Schultze, Dave Aitel, SensePost, Mark Burnett, Mike Howard, Saumil Shah
and the number one woman in security Laura Robinson. All these people
are happy to talk shop over a beer (or five).
Good luck out there!
Erik Pace Birkholz
www.SpecialOpsSeries.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jvfields@tds.net [mailto:jvfields@tds.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 10:06 AM
To: Andrew Turner; pen-test@securityfocus.com
Subject: Re: CEH and Intense School
The answer depends largely upon what you want out of it, and what your
current level of knowledge is.
As an introductory course that will give you a good idea of the breadth
of things you need to learn to do professional testing, it is a good
course. As training for the CEH, it is a great course. These are
especially true if you have some knowledge, but want to know what areas
to concentrate on.
This course will NOT make you a "hacker." Being a hacker has a lot to
do with personal interest, inclination, desire, and hard work. But it
will help you learn to be a "professional hacker", in the sense that you
will learn things about how to be thorough, and how to do it as a
business.
--James
>
> From: Andrew Turner <andrewhturner@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2003/11/05 Wed AM 07:47:08 CST
> To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
> Subject: CEH and Intense School
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am considering taking the Ethical Hacking course
> tought by Intense School. Has anyone had experience
> with this training program? If so, I would be very interested in
> hearing your comments on the program.
>
> Thanks in Advance!
>
> --
> Andrew H. Turner, CISSP
>
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