3Com SuperStack II detected as router... or not.

From: Volker Tanger (volker.tanger_at_discon.de)
Date: 07/29/03

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:48:59 +0200
    To: pen-test@securityfocus.com
    
    
    

    Greetings!

    Scanning our network with a router detection software, we detected that
    requests routed via the management IP address of the hub seemed to be
    routed onward. If the embedded management really did routing, this could
    be abused to circumvent network separation schemes (e.g. separate
    management and user networks).

    The system in question is

            3Com SuperStack-II Dual Speed Hub 500
                    Hardware 01.01.01
                    Software 1.11
                    Boot PROM 0.04

    "Newer" releases (2.10 and up, which are some years old by themselves)
    do not show this behaviour. Firmware updates are (as always) available
    for free from 3Com.

    Further testing showed that the old hub firmware does NOT route at all.
    It just (falsely) answers all ICMP echo-request packets sent to its
    hardware (MAC) address regardless the destination IP address.

    As most router-detection schemes simply use Ping (ICMP) to test for
    routing function you'll get a False Positive from hubs equipped with the
    old firmware. So re-checking those alerts with a manual test with a real
    TCP connections (e.g. manual HTTP request) is (as always) highly
    recommended.

    Solutions:
            - install current firmware to the hub(s)
            - double-check router-detection alerts

    So no, 3Com SuperStack II hubs with old/ancient firmware do not do
    routing, even if your router detector told you otherwise...

    Bye

    Volker Tanger

    PS: Adventurous hackers could try to abuse this and fake a system
        "alive" to an ICMP-only NMS station. But as you need an on-line
        ARP-spoofing station for such a treat anyway, this is more an
        academic possibility.

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