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To: "Cox, Michael" <mscox@ti.com>, <pen-test@securityfocus.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:54:18 +0200

Hi Michael,

I can't really give you a good comparison between the Isecom OPST and OPSA
trainings without having much details about the SANS training courses...

What I can tell you is that the OPST and OPSA courses are based on the
OSSTMM (Open Source Security Testing Methodology Manual).
Isecom developped the OSSTMM, this methodology has evolved with the feedback
from many security professionals, it is a living document that is in
constant progress. Isecom has other open-source projects that all seem very
interesting!
You can download the OSSTMM from www.isecom.org. If you have ideas, you can
feed them back to Isecom and your enhancements might make it in the official
document! That is what I like about the OSSTMM, its quality enhancements can
be made by all of us!

There is no such reference on the SANS website I could find, maybe somebody
that followed that training can give some more feedback on the source of the
methodology used there.

For the technical side, the Isecom classes focus on getting the job done
with open source tools first of all, avoiding automatic tools to make sure
that you understand what exactly the various tests are meant to achieve and
how to validate them as being successful. This is meant to enhances your
insight on the subject.

I don't know for sure what the SANS courses concentrate on product-wise,
here again, people who followed that training will be able to give you more
details!

Cheers,
Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cox, Michael" <mscox@ti.com>
To: "JC" <-none-@resnulius.net>; <pen-test@securityfocus.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:43 PM
Subject: RE: Pen test courses

> Can anyone comment on the OPST training vs. the SANS "Hacker Techniques,
> Exploits and Incident Handling" track or the SANS "Auditing Networks,
> Perimeters and Systems" track?
>
> Thanks!
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JC [mailto:-none-@resnulius.net]
> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:48 PM
> > To: Petr Ruzicka; pen-test@securityfocus.com
> > Subject: Re: Pen test courses
> >
> >
> > Petr,
> >
> > There are 2 very interesting courses from Isecom.org
> > (http://www.isecom.org):
> > These classes focus on the right methodology, ethics, law,
> > understanding of
> > the tests, lifecycles of security tests, organisational
> > aspects, etc... In
> > other words, more than just using the tools, but
> > understanding how to use
> > them in the best way possible. These courses are based on the
> > Open Source
> > Security Testing Methodology Manual (OSSTMM) that is an open source
> > methodology to perform professional and complete security tests.
> >
> > - OSSTMM Professional Security Analyst (OPSA):
> > " The premise of the training course is to provide a variety
> > of hard and
> > soft skills to the security professional. The training course
> > focuses on the
> > analytical skills and security knowledge necessary for
> > security and risk
> > analysis and the business skills required for successful
> > security team and
> > project management. This course is not about just passing the
> > exam. This
> > course is about bringing the combined, international knowledge and
> > experiences of security team leaders and security consultants
> > to bring depth
> > and insight to the training. "
> >
> > - OSSTMM Professional Security Tester (OPST):
> > " The premise of the training course is to support the
> > necessary knowledge
> > transfer for a person to be considered a capable, resourceful, and
> > self-sufficient security tester. The training course focuses on the
> > technical skills necessary for security testing and the
> > business skills
> > necessary for providing justification, efficiency, and understanding
> > contemporary business and security needs. "
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Petr Ruzicka" <pruzicka@openbsd.cz>
> > To: <pen-test@securityfocus.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 11:37 AM
> > Subject: Pen test courses
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > could you recommend me some valuable PenTest training ?
> > > I know already how to use nmap, ping/traceroute, nessus,
> > hping, nemesis,
> > tcpdump/ethereal, ettercap, I know how to do passive
> > fingerprint of OS, use
> > various honeypots etc. etc.
> > > However, there is always something new to learn, I'm sure.
> > I did some
> > research of available training courses on the Internet and
> > I'm not sure
> > which could be valuable to me, as I do not need to spend time learning
> > 'nmap -vv -sS -P0 x.x.x.x'.
> > > Besides programming skills and researching new
> > vurneabilities (and keep
> > running on learing track), is there any good training out there ?
> > > Thanks a lot
> > >
> > > Petr Ruzicka
> >
>

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