Re: Questions on GSM Penetration test

From: Emmanuel Gadaix (
Date: 01/27/02

Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:28:12 +0700
To: M Lister <>, Tom Buelens <>
From: Emmanuel Gadaix <>

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At 09:16 PM 1/26/2002, M Lister wrote:
> > 2. You can copy a sim card.
>Please forgive me if this sounds naive, but I was under a *STRONG*
>impression that it is practically impossible to copy a smart card. [Isnt
>that what is used as a SIM card]. From the little that I know of smart
>cards, security is their forte. I know absolute security is an unknown
>concept but still copying a smart card, wouldnt that be too
>difficult?? Wouldnt the cost involved in doing so probably be more than
>the benefits?
>A smart card can deny access to certain memory regions based on how it is
>programmed. A card that has crappy programming can be exploited, but would
>this statement of yours always be true. If yes, I would love a small
> > 3. You can eavesdrop comunications between basestations.
>Out of plain curiosity, is the data encrypted while in transit. I asked
>the dealer here in my country who promptly replied YES, but I doubt he had
>even a vague idea of what I was talking about. Given the amount of data
>and the required level of low latency in cell phones and the fact SIM
>cards are no Crays, I would *LOGICALLY* doubt it. But then I would love to
>be sure.
>Also if some one were to sniff/eavesdrop such a conversation, how would
>he go about doing it? I am not asking for the exact info but a generic
>example would be wonderful.
>With regards,

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