RE: ISA Server or Firewall Appliance?

From: James Eaton-Lee (james.mailing_at_gmail.com)
Date: 11/18/05

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    To: "Jim Harrison (ISA)" <Jim.Harrison@microsoft.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:23:03 +0000

    Jim,

    On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 13:28 -0800, Jim Harrison (ISA) wrote:
    > Your statements are fine as far as they go, but there is real (as
    > opposed to anecdotal) data that directly contradicts your stated
    > concerns.
    > There are *lots* of Enterprise networks running ISA 2000 and/or ISA 2004
    > on the edge.
    > Several of these customers have also consented to public case studies
    > which are (proudly) posted on the microosft.com/isaserver pages.
    >
    > Short story - no one has offered anything more than "ancient history" to
    > counter the facts offered in ISA's favor.

    Not to be flippant, but I tried - I wasn't really trying to ISA bash,
    but I disagreed with you when you said on Tuesday that:

    > I know it sounds like marketing spew, but the simple fact is; in 5+
    > years of service on anything from an SBS server, OEM appliance to HUGE
    > enterprise deployments, ISA server has the distinction of not having
    > been the recipient of one single exploit in the wild.
    >
    and then that...

    > I know it sounds like marketing spew, but the simple fact is; in 5+
    > years of service on anything from an SBS server, OEM appliance to HUGE
    > enterprise deployments, ISA server has the distinction of not having
    > been the recipient of one single exploit in the wild.

    ..more specifically, the bulk of my point was that you weren't comparing
    like with like, you were comparing a whole firewall platform
    (IOS/Juniper) with something (ISA) which is just a firewalling stack
    which necessarily has pre-requisite software which it's combined with to
    make up the whole firewall, and ignoring the platform (windows) which it
    was running on top of.

    So far I haven't had a reply.. ;)

    If you want to discuss this, I'd be more than happy to re-send my
    original post on this topic to the list, as this is really a
    bastardisation of what I was originally trying to say!
    >
     - James.

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