Re: Windows XP security concerns

From: David LeBlanc (dleblanc@MINDSPRING.COM)
Date: 12/20/01


Date:         Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:20:30 -0800
From: David LeBlanc <dleblanc@MINDSPRING.COM>
To: NTBUGTRAQ@LISTSERV.NTBUGTRAQ.COM


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tomasz Polus
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:52 AM

> I. Problem with account locking due to fast user switching

> 1. Set the account lockout threshold to 3 attempts.
> 2. Create 10 user accounts with user level privileges
> (User1 - User10).
> 3. Logon using User1 account.
> 4. Using fast user switching, logon using User2 account.
> 5. Use fast switching to change from User1 to User2 3 times.
> 6. Attempt to logon using User3 account.

So, you'd have to have several people standing around playing musical
chairs in order to have this affect anyone in a real-world scenario.

> Even switching between _one_ user (logging on and logging off
> using fast user switching) results in all acounts being locked out.

Setting account lockout in general is a bit of a nuisance which normally
causes more trouble for the admins than anyone else (including the
hackers).

> As you can see, Microsoft admitted this to be a problem and
> recommended
> not to use fast user switching in conjunction with Account Lockout.
> We see this as a significant limitation on the new feature,
> and/or a forced downgrading of security settings.

You think this is significant? I would grant you that there's room for
us to have completely different opinions on this, but, IMHO, fast user
switching is most useful in the home environment, where you're not
likely to have lockouts set. This seems to be a rather contrived
scenario.

BTW, something many people are not aware of is that in XP, if an account
does have a blank password you cannot log on anywhere except the local
console. It is actually safer to have a blank password than a weak one
(from the network at least).

> First, make sure the "Minimum password age" policy is set to
> a value other than 0.
> Now, supposing the user forgets his password before it's age expires,
> he will not be able to reset it with the disk until the
> password expires.

So you're now complaining that the minimum password age setting actually
works? I'm confused.

> 3. Remote Desktop sends recently used username in plaintext

I believe this is configurable. I know that I've seen kiosks where the
last user name didn't show up. I'll have to check into how that can be
done.

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Relevant Pages

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