Re: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police



That's all true. I was just talking about pleading guilty or nolo contendre
to a charge based on nothing more than a picture. Of course, in this case,
it's nothing but a fine- and you'd prolly need a lawyer to win, and that'd
cost more than the 200-some-odd dollars the guy had to pay.

It's like when a swine confiscates your cash when you're riding down the
road with that 200-some-odd dollars you were going to pay the last fine
with, and they take a notion to use that good ole federal civil asset
forfeiture law that let's 'em rob anybody with 200+ dollars in cash in
their pockets.

Fuck the government.

I didn't realize that this list defaulted to sending a reply to the sender
of the message you're responding to.



On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Rohit Patnaik <quanticle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You don't need proof to press charges. All you need is probable cause.
Holding a glass, bottle, or can of what
appears to be an alcoholic beverage probably meets the standard of probable
cause. Whether the district attorney's
office can prove the case in a court of law is a different matter.

--Rohit Patnaik
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 01:01:22PM -0500, William Wylde wrote:
Actually, a picture proves absolutely nothing. Anybody who caves to a
charge based on nothing but a picture is dumb. If it's a drink in a
glass,
there's no way prove that what's in the glass is alcoholic. If it's in a
can or bottle there's also no way to prove it contains alcohol, or
anything
at all in many can.

Fuck the government.


On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Rohit Patnaik <quanticle@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Actually, I'm not sure what the issue is here. Facebook is a public
forum.
Underage drinking is an illegal act. If
you post evidence of yourself committing an illegal act to a public
forum,
the police are free to come and arrest you,
and use the pictures that you posted as evidence against you.

The only complaint here seems to be that the police violated Facebook's
Terms of Service in "friending" these underage
drinkers and gathering evidence against them. However, I'm not sure
how
that's illegal in any way. If it were,
undercover investigations and sting operations of all sorts would be
illegal.

As I see it, these are kids who were caught out in their own stupidity,
for
doing something that they know to be
illegal, and then posting pictures. Now these same kids are whining
because the police were marginally more tech-savvy
than they assumed.

--Rohit Patnaik

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:32:53AM +0100, netinfinity wrote:
"Facebook policy requires the use of one’s real name to sign up, but
they let the police use fake names.."

Sure the policy says that but a lot of people are changing their
names
on a daily basis (ok maybe not daily). And majority of those changes
are
just for fun, but never the less they are against the policy. What
about those people? Only way to verify or check someone's name is
through IP (ISP). And that can't be done
by will.. It must have some legal grounds...

Let me get to the point, I'm sure that police is violating some some
kind of human rights or even law's (?)

--
netinfinity

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new man. We tried so hard to create a society that was equal, where
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to envy. A smile, a friendship, something you don't have and want to
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and poor. Rich in gifts, poor in gifts. Rich in love, poor in love." --
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