Re: [Full-disclosure] <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversial Cisco Security Presentation

From: J.A. Terranson (measl_at_mfn.org)
Date: 07/30/05

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    Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 21:46:17 -0500 (CDT)
To: Jason Coombs <jasonc@science.org>

    On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Jason Coombs wrote:

    > J.A. Terranson wrote:
    > > didn't get my copy from Infowarrior. Nor have I seen any "order".
    >
    > "On Thursday, Judge Jeffrey White of the United States District Court
    > for the Northern District of California issued a permanent injunction
    > preventing further distribution of the material (attached). Cisco
    > Systems, Inc. and Internet Security Systems, Inc. v. Michael Lynn and
    > Black Hat Inc. United States District Court, Northern District of
    > California."
    >
    > http://www.infowarrior.org/users/rforno/lynn-cisco.pdf
    >
    > Your point seems to be that because your name was not listed in the list
    > of Defendants, nor were you referenced in a Does 1-99 placeholder, that
    > the order does not apply to you.

    For the sake of argument I'm going to assume that link points to the order
    that finally showed up? Pleae note that prior to it's arrival at
    infowarrior, the order was of no force nor effect - as I am sure you will
    agree. Assuming they have now seen and thereby become bound by the order,
    I am certain they will comply and honor it. However, I have neither a
    copy of any order, nor personal knowledge of any terms of any order, and
    am currently not bound to destroy any copy(s) I may have made.

    The law also recognizes that unenforceable orders are void on their face,
    and if that link is in fact an order to every person who has ever seen the
    document to forget and destroy - the order is impossible on it's face due
    to the sheer numbers of people involved.

    I do not much follow this crap anymore, as I am sure you noticed due to my
    almost non-existent posting here in the last year or so (work doesn't
    leave much time for play) - yet even I was sent copies by multiple people
    prior to hearing about it here.

    The barn is empty. The herd has carried the "secret" to the far corners
    of the earth. It's over. 

    -- 
Yours,
J.A. Terranson
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